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When Do We Have a Moral Right to lie?

Songbird

She rules her life like a bird in flight
It is right to lie when the result will be better than the result of telling the truth.
This. Some ethicists describe honesty as one of many social values we apply in conjunction with other values, to varying degrees in different situations. Sometimes we place a higher priority on peace and compassion, like when one's ailing grandmother bakes a birthday cake which tastes awful but took considerable effort to make. How many of us would be honest if she asked how it tastes? And how many would deem lying out of consideration immoral?

And there are other forms of lying. Exaggeration, undercover investigation, wearing makeup, pretending to go along with the status quo so as not to rock the boat, denying actions or thoughts we're ashamed of, etc. I think it's not a question of whether lying is moral or immoral, but of general principles underlying what the best course of action is in a specific context. So, "honesty is the best policy" may be a general principle, but specific contexts may allow for this principle to be violated. And we value honesty in efficient communication, but it doesn't mean honesty is the right, good, or moral policy 100% of the time.
 

Satyamavejayanti

Well-Known Member
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For example, if someone breaks into a person's house and says that they are going to kill the family, then asks where the child is -- that intruder has no right to the information which he intends to use for destructive purposes, and the parent is under no moral obligation to tell that intruder that the child is sleeping in his bed. The parent has the moral obligation to protect the child, and if inaccurately reporting the facts or making up a complete lie will do it to buy time (or whatever) it is completely justified without question or further qualification.

The parents can also just say nothing, or say "i wount tell you", to the culprit.

If they lie, its just gonna make things more serious for them and their child.

And if someone breaks into my home and says they are gonna kill my family, they would have to go through me first, before they even get a chance to ask questions.

OTOH if a parent's teenage child is employed by someone and is supposed to be at work at 8:00 am, and the teenager (perhaps stayed up all night on RF or something) :) and is still in bed when he ought to be at work -- if the boss calls the parents and asks where their son is, the parent has the moral obligation to tell the truth -- even if it results in the teenager losing his job or being reprimanded. Simply because the results of telling the truth may appear to be negative or unpleasant, does not justify lying (and may actually be a dis-service to the child by trying to protect them from the experience of having to deal with the consequences of their actions.) In this situation, the boss has a right to the information because there was a breach of the agreement made with him regarding work time.

Agreed.
 

Songbird

She rules her life like a bird in flight
The parents can also just say nothing, or say "i wount tell you", to the culprit.

If they lie, its just gonna make things more serious for them and their child.

And if someone breaks into my home and says they are gonna kill my family, they would have to go through me first, before they even get a chance to ask questions.
Frankly, I don't believe folks who claim 100% honesty is the best approach 100% of the time. In other words, I think they're lying.

I don't mean to be rude, I just think some try to believe they're more honest because (ironically) they're uncomfortable with the truth. I don't know if that applies to you, but it's my impression that it takes some bravery to admit to being dishonest.
 

Satyamavejayanti

Well-Known Member
Frankly, I don't believe folks who claim 100% honesty is the best approach 100% of the time. In other words, I think they're lying.

I don't mean to be rude, I just think some try to believe they're more honest because (ironically) they're uncomfortable with the truth. I don't know if that applies to you, but it's my impression that it takes some bravery to admit to being dishonest.

When did i imply that i am 100% truthful in deeds and words.

Im just trying to justify the moral aspect of being truthful.
 
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