When Hate is a Virtue.

[TransmutingSoul]

My belief is that two people can only understand each other on a spiritual level when their spiritual hearts hold the same freequency that is why people on different freequency can not truly understand each other.

That belief is indeed confirmed in Scripture.

Have a great day, Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Which is?...

(Why do you find it sooo difficult to answer questions. Is your position on everything really "whatever he said"? And if it is, why do you find it so difficult to say what he said?)

I have offered what Baha'u'llah said in the past, you were not interested, has that changed?

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Which is very possibly why you find something like Baha'ism so attractive? People who don't struggle with reality and are happy with life in general usually have no need for supernatural crutches.

Actually is is self destructive replies to the wisdom of God, men who practice tyranny, injustice, predudice, pernicious hate, inequality that makes this world very difficult to live in.

All that is death, not life.

I personally am happy and content with the life that has been gifted, yet I hate tyranny, injustice, predudice, pernicious hate, inequality.

Death to me is these Godless actions and that, a world with no God, it is not a world at all.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

You do realise that the heart is just a muscle for pumping blood? It is the brain that is responsible for consciousness.

Funny thing is, that the brain needs the heart to maintain consciousness.

Regards Tony

 

[KWED]

I have offered what Baha'u'llah said in the past, you were not interested, has that changed?

Regards Tony

When such a question is repeatedly asked, and one repeatedly refuses to respond, the reasonable conclusion is that the person is uncomfortable with making their position public.
As you consider the Quran to be a valid and authentic message from god, and the Quran permits and condones both those things, the inescapable conclusion is that you, personally, consider slavery and the use of female slaves/captives for sex to be morally acceptable.
Otherwise, why wouldn't you be eager to express moral condemnation of them?

(This is where you again present some platitude that sheds no further light on the issue)

 

[KWED]

Actually is is self destructive replies to the wisdom of God, men who practice tyranny, injustice, predudice, pernicious hate, inequality that makes this world very difficult to live in.

And yet, much of tyranny, injustice, predudice, pernicious hate, inequality throughout history has been perpetrated or justified on the basis of the "wisdom of god". Go figure!
(This is where you invoke the No True Scotsman fallacy, and probably some m

I personally am happy and content with the life that has been gifted, yet I hate tyranny, injustice, predudice, pernicious hate, inequality.

You need to express yourself more clearly then, because you said you struggle with this life and would be happy to go anytime, which is somewhat different to what you are saying now.

a world with no God, it is not a world at all.

But in all likelihood, this is a world with no god. And if it is, you are happy with it (possibly).
And even if there is a god, it is not a god recognised or acknowledged by most people, so for most people, a world without a god is a perfectly acceptable world.

 

[KWED]

Funny thing is, that the brain needs the heart to maintain consciousness.

And all the other organs. And the blood and other chemical compounds. Did you have a point there?
But the point is, the heart does nothing but pump blood. It makes no decisions. It provides no conscious input. It does no "guiding".

 

[ppp]

You are a good person @TransmutingSoul, you have given me a lot of wisdom from your heart.

Is he a bad person for giving people a lot of BS from his brain?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Is he a bad person for giving people a lot of BS from his brain?

@TransmutingSoul is not a bad person in any way shape or form.
He is one of the most kind people in RF.

 

[ppp]

@TransmutingSoul is not a bad person in any way shape or form.
He is one of the most kind people in RF.

I am sure that you mean that earnestly.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I am sure that you mean that earnestly.

If I did not mean it i would not say it.

 

[ppp]

If I did not mean it i would not say it.

I wasn't being sarcastic

 

[TransmutingSoul]

When such a question is repeatedly asked, and one repeatedly refuses to respond, the reasonable conclusion is that the person is uncomfortable with making their position public.

Actually is is because I am trying to be more like Baha'u'llah asked me to be.

Not to offer the faith to those that do not want to hear, is that guidance.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

As you consider the Quran to be a valid and authentic message from god, and the Quran permits and condones both those things, the inescapable conclusion is that you, personally, consider slavery and the use of female slaves/captives for sex to be morally acceptable.

Another approach could be that the context of the laws of the Quran have been misunderstood, or misinterpreted. Also the state of humanity at that time would also need to be known, to see if those laws were a indeed a great benefit for that time. One can not take today's views an impose them on centuries old ways of life.

It would be up to the person that was interested to determine what the Quran really offered.

What I will offer is at the time the laws of the Quran were given. Female children were so despised that they were buried alive. The Quran gave women rights .

This practice was questioned and is in the Quran.

وَإِذَا الْمَوْءُودَةُ سُئِلَتْ (and when the girl-child that was buried alive will be asked, for what sin she was killed...81:8)

Regards Tony

 

[KWED]

@TransmutingSoul is not a bad person in any way shape or form.
He is one of the most kind people in RF.

I think what you mean is that you agree with much of what they say, or it strikes a chord with you.
You have no way of knowing if they are actually a "good" or "bad" person, kind or cruel, etc.

I find their refusal to condemn things like slavery or using female slaves/captives for sex, in principle, somewhat problematic.

 

[KWED]

If I did not mean it i would not say it.

Ah, the classic "liar's paradox".

 

[KWED]

Actually is is because I am trying to be more like Baha'u'llah asked me to be.

Not to offer the faith to those that do not want to hear, is that guidance.

But still avoiding the issue.

 

[KWED]

Another approach could be that the context of the laws of the Quran have been misunderstood, or misinterpreted. Also the state of humanity at that time would also need to be known, to see if those laws were a indeed a great benefit for that time. One can not take today's views an impose them on centuries old ways of life.

Is the Quran god's infallible, immutable guide or an historical record of life in the Ancient Near East?

What I will offer is at the time the laws of the Quran were given. Female children were so despised that they were buried alive.

Complete nonsense. There is no historical evidence for routine female infanticide in pre-Islamic Arabia. In fact, Islam itself offers evidence to the contrary.
1. The Quran limited the number of wives a man could have to four, from the unlimited number under paganism. How could such multiple wives be possible if girl babies were routinely killed?
2. Muhammad's first wife was a successful business woman who inherited a fortune from her father - so women clearly had rights and were valued before Islam.

The Quran gave women rights .

It may have offered a few relative improvements in some areas, at the time. However, it enshrined the right of men to use their female slaves for sex, to beat disobedient wives (under certain conditions), for a woman to inherit half that of an equivalent male, to have their testimony considered as less than a man's.
The problem is the inability to change those laws and "rights" to reflect a changing world. It is up to men to undo the damage done by god.

And you're still avoiding the question.