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When is it acceptable for Christians to tell lies?

Nakosis

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
I suspect most world governments engage in such political and economic propaganda.

Is the end justified? I don't know. Their enemies thought they had a reliable misled defense for a while and a lot of people were put to work.

Is it ok for people to lie? Sometimes. It depends on what their goals are. The mileage on an individual's morality may vary.
 
ChristineES

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
If I take the religious indications out of it, I could say that this is a case of something of what we consider wrong to not be absolute but relative. What could have caused more harm? Telling a lie or telling the truth. Things of themselves are really evil or good necessarily, but relative to the situation.
 
sincerly

sincerly

Well-Known Member
Agnostic75 said:
TV documentary: US lied about Gulf War missile “hits”

Did the end justify the means?

I know that the issue of telling lies applies to everyone, not just to Christians.
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Hi Agnostic75, Yes, telling lies is not just "Christian". Many USA citizens are NOT "Christians" and it has been shown that most who say they believe in Jesus Christ, really do not practice that which they claim. Your article was related to 1991 and 2003 and by the "Socialist" organization. I don't see that it is any better in reporting than the various media organizations of today.

A truly Believing Christian has no place in one's life for lies.
 
zenzero

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend Agnostic,

Not sure if one should correlate US with Christians as it is a secular democratic country.

Love & rgds
 
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OMEGA777

New Member
1Pe 3:10 For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil,
and his lips that they speak no guile:

Re 14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile:
for they are without fault before the throne of God.

Re 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers,
and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars,
shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

JESUS came to Earth to show us how to behave and build Godly Character as he did,
JESUS took that Godly Character back up to God and sent it down into our minds as the Holy Spirit
to give us more strength to Resist doing evil and to Overcome Temptations and develop Godly Character.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord;
I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord,
I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

I suggest that a person Strive to not Lie because WE are part of a RESISTANCE MOVEMENT here on this Planet Earth.

Re 22:15 For without are sorcerers, and whoremongers,
and murderers, and idolaters, and who ever loveth and maketh a lie.
 
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waitasec

waitasec

Veteran Member
sincerly said:
Hi Agnostic75, Yes, telling lies is not just "Christian". Many USA citizens are NOT "Christians" and it has been shown that most who say they believe in Jesus Christ, really do not practice that which they claim. Your article was related to 1991 and 2003 and by the "Socialist" organization. I don't see that it is any better in reporting than the various media organizations of today.

A truly Believing Christian has no place in one's life for lies.
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i caught you in a lie....


sincerly said:
Verbs show actions---My dictionary shows "confused" to a verb as well.
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oops
 
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1137

1137

Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
Whether lying is ok or not depends on the situation and all the specifics. If the lying accomplishes greater good than telling the truth would it is probably usually acceptable. As for tying America.to Christianity: don't do it. In theory the country is secular, even if most of the laws of inequality are based on the bible...
 
sincerly

sincerly

Well-Known Member
The Doors of Perception said:
Whether lying is ok or not depends on the situation and all the specifics. If the lying accomplishes greater good than telling the truth would it is probably usually acceptable. As for tying America.to Christianity: don't do it. In theory the country is secular, even if most of the laws of inequality are based on the bible...
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What is coming through in your answer is "The end justifies the means" and that is a LIE. Truth produces "GOOD".
Yes, Satan's use of the "lie" did "end" in accomplishing his desired "end"---the disobedience of Adam and Eve.
 
1137

1137

Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
sincerly said:
What is coming through in your answer is "The end justifies the means" and that is a LIE. Truth produces "GOOD".
Yes, Satan's use of the "lie" did "end" in accomplishing his desired "end"---the disobedience of Adam and Eve.
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Ok, so you are living in WWII, and you are trying to smuggle Jews out of Nazi territory in a truck, boat, whatever. The Nazis stop you and ask if there are Jews aboard. You are saying you would admit yes, because saving a person's life with a lie is of the devil, and god would rather have Jews be sent to camps than you lie. Well, I can confidently say I woukd NEVER follow such a deity.
 
sincerly

sincerly

Well-Known Member
Mestemia said:
Really?
Seems to me that it is not nearly as black and white as you would like others to think.
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Hi Mestemia, Is this present world we live in filled with "GOOD" actions toward all of its inhabitants?? Far from it. As long as wickedness is indulged in, people will continue in their wicked ways toward one another. Proverbs 14:12 says it in this fashion, "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death."
Also, mankind has lost the distinguishing characteristics between that which is "Good" and that which is "bad/evil". It is called doing one's own thing.
Isa.5:20-23, "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe unto [them that are] wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight! ...Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!"

The daily news is filled with examples of man's corruption and injustice to one another. And much of it is done in the name of "for the most good".
 
waitasec

waitasec

Veteran Member
Mestemia said:
what is the lie you allegedly caught him in?
It isn't that the word 'confused' can be used as a verb, cause it can:
He confused the issue with his ramblings.​
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you are right but in the context of the discourse sincerly and i were having was in regards to the title of the thread
http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...-think-jesus-confused-maybe-luke.htmlconfused is an adjective in this case, not a verb...

so yes, sincerly confused the issue with his ramblings.... purposely, therefore dishonestly :clap
 
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sincerly

sincerly

Well-Known Member
UltraViolet said:
Is there some commandment "thou shalt not lie/tell lies" that I have missed somewhere?
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Hi UltraViolet, Yes, Ex.20:16, "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour."
Prov.6:16-19, "These six [things] doth the LORD hate: yea, seven [are] an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness [that] speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren. "
Matt.19:17-19, "And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."
Rev.21:8, "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death".
 
blackout

blackout

Violet.
Bearing false witness against thy neighbour
is slander. specifically.

Wow. Everyone who has ever told their elderly mom she looks great when she doesn't
is headed for the lake of fire and brimstone.

Hellfire Christianity is such a bizarre construct/story/mythology.
 
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