When Should Women Obey Their Husbands?

[Saint Frankenstein]

Not so much tell them they're inferior but it is kind of unwritten rule. That's why they have short guy syndrome.
Urban Dictionary: Short Man's Syndrome

 

[Ingledsva]

Not so much tell them they're inferior but it is kind of unwritten rule. That's why they have short guy syndrome.
Urban Dictionary: Short Man's Syndrome

Smaller men are in no way treated like women are in patriarchal society.

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[freethinker44]

What's sad is I'm not even joking. Height discrimination totally exists.

 

[freethinker44]

Smaller men are in no way treated like women are in patriarchal society.

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Then why did you bring it up?

 

[Ingledsva]

Then why did you bring it up?

Obviously to show the difference in the way men and women are treated in Patriarchal societies.

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[Saint Frankenstein]

What's sad is I'm not even joking. Height discrimination totally exists.

Yeah, I know. I'm self-conscious about being short. I would give anything to be 6+ feet tall. Most men's clothes don't even fit me properly.

 

[freethinker44]

Obviously to show the difference in the way men and women are treated in Patriarchal societies.

Nope, you were trying to show that size isn't a factor in discrimination so it shouldn't be used to rationalize discrimination against women. And I pointed out that size discrimination is totally an issue, especially amongst men.

No reason to get all defensive about it, you just used a bad example to back your point. No big deal, it happens to the best of us. Not so much to myself but I'm sure the common-folk experience it a lot.

For the record, I completely agree that size shouldn't be an excuse for how we treat other people.

 

[Bunyip]

When should a woman obey her husband? A: If and when she chooses to. A marriage should be between two equals.

 

[Ingledsva]

Nope, you were trying to show that size isn't a factor in discrimination so it shouldn't be used to rationalize discrimination against women. And I pointed out that size discrimination is totally an issue, especially amongst men.

No reason to get all defensive about it, you just used a bad example to back your point. No big deal, it happens to the best of us. Not so much to myself but I'm sure the common-folk experience it a lot.

For the record, I completely agree that size shouldn't be an excuse for how we treat other people.

Dude - you need to go back to # 35 where this started. A MALE said men were superior because of size, and god designation. LOL!

Also, there are obviously many minor problems with society, however, most are not on a level with the systematic discrimination against women.

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[freethinker44]

Dude - you need to go back to # 35 where this started. A MALE said men were superior because of size, and god designation. LOL!

A MALE said it? Well that's just outrageous, I mean, it's terrible enough when normal people say it, but if a MALE says it it's absolutely abhorrent. ABHORRENT I TELL YOU!!!

Seriously though, I'm starting to get a serious anti-men vibe from you.

Also, there are obviously many minor problems with society, however, most are not on a level with the systematic discrimination against women.

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Those "minor" problems with society were exactly what we were talking about. Trying to mask a flawed argument with a larger problem is poor form, and worse than that, it's a logical fallacy. It's the "starving kids in Africa" fallacy, or fallacy of relative privation.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Under what conditions, if any, should a woman habitually obey her husband? Are there any conditions under which a woman should not obey her husband?

I believe that's up to the woman to decide. If she wants to be in a relationship led by her husband, then so be it. The most important thing is her consent; I don't think any woman "should" obey her husband against her will, just like I don't believe a husband should obey his wife without his consent.

If a woman should habitually obey her husband, why should she habitually obey her husband? Is a woman who does not habitually obey her husband acting in an immoral manner?

1) I don't believe she should; I believe partnership and friendship are much healthier than leader-follower relationships, at least for myself.

2) No, I don't think it's immoral for a woman not to habitually obey her husband.

If a woman believes her husband is a fool, should she still habitually obey him? If a woman believes her husband is abusive, should she still obey him?

The first is, again, up to her. However, I generally think it would be irresponsible for anyone regardless of gender to follow a fool (i.e., someone with poor/unreliable judgment).

My answer to the second question is a definite, absolute no.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Women were unforunately, pretty stupid. Mainly because they were raised to be.
They couldn't read or write or participate in any proper education. So the bible is essentially saying to trust your husband because he probably knows more than you do, Which was how it used to be.
It really doesn't apply anymore.

Judging by a lot of the things written in the Bible by Paul and other authors, it seems to me that men weren't all that bright or educated either.

 

[Thana]

I think you meant uneducated, or illiterate, not stupid, - Yes?

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I could have said uneducated but that doesn't really convey the severity of their condition.

 

[Ingledsva]

I could have said uneducated but that doesn't really convey the severity of their condition.

I understand what you are saying, but stupid usually means lacking the ability to learn, whereas they had the ability, but no opportunity.

not intelligent : having or showing a lack of ability to learn and understand things. : not sensible or logical.

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[lewisnotmiller]

I understand what you are saying, but stupid usually means lacking the ability to learn, whereas they had the ability, but no opportunity.

not intelligent : having or showing a lack of ability to learn and understand things. : not sensible or logical.

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Ignorant, is perhaps the term.

 

[dantech]

The only time a woman can delay the obeying of her husband is while she's making him a sandwich. This is not up for debate, it's fact. At least that's what @Iti oj told me once..have you heard? He just got married!

 

[Thana]

I understand what you are saying, but stupid usually means lacking the ability to learn, whereas they had the ability, but no opportunity.

not intelligent : having or showing a lack of ability to learn and understand things. : not sensible or logical.

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This was my post, So I mentioned twice that they were that way through no fault of their own.

Women were unforunately, pretty stupid. Mainly because they were raised to be.
They couldn't read or write or participate in any proper education.

I went on to say that the cause was essentially being uneducated and not being able to read or write means illiterate, So basically all the things you corrected me on unnecessarily.
Kinda seems like you stopped reading after the word 'stupid'

 

[Ingledsva]

A MALE said it? Well that's just outrageous, I mean, it's terrible enough when normal people say it, but if a MALE says it it's absolutely abhorrent. ABHORRENT I TELL YOU!!!

Seriously though, I'm starting to get a serious anti-men vibe from you.


Those "minor" problems with society were exactly what we were talking about. Trying to mask a flawed argument with a larger problem is poor form, and worse than that, it's a logical fallacy. It's the "starving kids in Africa" fallacy, or fallacy of relative privation.

You are totally off the mark - and turning this off course, with red-herrings.

I replied to a man saying men are superior to women, - by saying they are not superior, - live with it!

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[Ingledsva]

This was my post, So I mentioned twice that they were that way through no fault of their own.



I went on to say that the cause was essentially being uneducated and not being able to read or write means illiterate, So basically all the things you corrected me on unnecessarily.
Kinda seems like you stopped reading after the word 'stupid'

I was not correcting you. I legitimately thought that was a slip, as - stupid - basically means unable to learn, usually from some mental difficulties. Whereas their brains, and ability to learn, were just fine. They were given no education, which makes them uneducated, illiterate, or kept ignorant.

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[Thana]

I was not correcting you. I legitimately thought that was a slip, as - stupid - basically means unable to learn, usually from some mental difficulties. Whereas their brains, and ability to learn, were just fine. They were given no education, which makes them uneducated, illiterate, or kept ignorant.

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Which is exactly what I said