When will the right stop? When will honesty become an important value again?

[Evangelicalhumanist]

As reported by the upstanding, honest, straight as an arrow, esteemed nobles of the left, throughly imbued with integrity I'm sure.

Ah, an indirect ad hominem, instead of actually bothering to address the question itself. Where have I seen that before?

 

[exchemist]

Not sure about that. From over here, the institutions of US democracy look fairly robust, so far anyway. The problem may be the electorate itself - Biden comfortably saw off Trump in the end, but that can’t hide the fact that many millions of ordinary Americans voted, in Trump, for a man who appears to have none of the hallmarks of statesman, but all those of a would-be tyrant.

I worry more for the future of democracy in Europe personally. In the U.K. we have no written constitution to protect us when the right start ignoring democratic conventions - as we saw with Cummings and the proroguing of Parliament.

That said, there are signs in the U.K. at least, that the tide may be turning against right wing populism; Boris Johnson backed the wrong horse over England’s football players taking the knee, and I hope it costs him.

The US Republican party is engaged in a wholesale exercise, at state level, of disenfranchising segments of the electorate that do not vote for them. The last president used the extraordinary power of his office to fill the top of numerous institutions with his placemen and to corrode trust in those where he couldn't. He has also corroded trust in the process of democracy itself, to the extent that something between a quarter and a third of all Americans believe the last election was stolen. The head of the US military - not known for being a hotbed of crypto-communism - was talking in terms of the Reichstag Fire, towards the end of Trump's term.

So I disagree that the institutions of democracy remain robust. They are now quite fragile, it seems to me.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Now you’re inferring Republicans are cancer? Nice example of liberal bipartisanship and unity.

LOL what? That is what you took from it?

The cancer thing was an example for @KAT-KAT when she stated that she would rather not talk about it and so in my response, my comment was about questioning whether do we ignore cancer and questioning whether by ignoring a problem would it make the problem go away? No, it doesn't. Ignoring an issue or problem doesn't make the problem go away, it still remains in place. In order for problems to go away is to address them. As far as the GOP it's not cancerous it is just rife with automatons and grifters. BTW are you going to leave the U.S. when Trump wont get reinstated in August?

 

[RestlessSoul]

The US Republican party is engaged in a wholesale exercise, at state level, of disenfranchising segments of the electorate that do not vote for them. The last president used the extraordinary power of his office to fill the top of numerous institutions with his placemen and to corrode trust in those where he couldn't. He has also corroded trust in the process of democracy itself, to the extent that something between a quarter and a third of all Americans believe the last election was stolen. The head of the US military - not known for being a hotbed of crypto-communism - was talking in terms of the Reichstag Fire, towards the end of Trump's term.

So I disagree that the institutions of democracy remain robust. They are now quite fragile, it seems to me.

The US institutions of state are under attack, certainly. So I suppose we’ll find out how robust they are.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Now you’re inferring Republicans are cancer?

Cancer is generally more benign. At least cancer doesn't do filibusters to prevent money being spent on cancer treatment.

Nice example of liberal bipartisanship and unity.

Why would anyone want to be "bipartisan" with fascists? That seems unwise and unlikely to end well.

 

[Shaul]

LOL what? That is what you took from it?

The cancer thing was an example for @KAT-KAT when she stated that she would rather not talk about it and so in my response, my comment was about questioning whether do we ignore cancer and questioning whether by ignoring a problem would it make the problem go away? No, it doesn't. Ignoring an issue or problem doesn't make the problem go away, it still remains in place. In order for problems to go away is to address them. As far as the GOP it's not cancerous it is just rife with automatons and grifters. BTW are you going to leave the U.S. when Trump wont get reinstated in August?

Why should I leave? I didn’t even vote for Trump.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

BTW are you going to leave the U.S. when Trump wont get reinstated in August?

His cult picked another date he's supposed to have his miraculous second coming?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Now you’re inferring Republicans are cancer? Nice example of liberal bipartisanship and unity.

I'd say they are. Militarized and abusive police is a cancer and they support it. Voting restrictions is a cancer they are metastasizing. And a whole slew of anti black, anti woman, anti immigrant, anti LGBT, anti consumer, and anti environment bills that are a cancer eating at American values.
But, yeah, just keep up with deflections. Nothing to see here.

 

[Jose Fly]

Here are some of the things I've recently heard or read from conservative media or from conservative politicians....

The country needs to focus on the "quality of votes" rather than the "quantity".

"Everybody shouldn't be voting".

We need to do something about "mass voting".

Democrats' plan is to "flood the system with votes".

By helping people vote, Democrats are on the side of "mob rule".

The founding fathers didn't think everyone should be able to vote.​

As longtime Republican David Frum put it....if Republicans start losing elections, they will turn on Democracy. I believe we are seeing exactly that.

 

[SomeRandom]

I'd say they are. Militarized and abusive police is a cancer and they support it. Voting restrictions is a cancer they are metastasizing. And a whole slew of anti black, anti woman, anti immigrant, anti LGBT, anti consumer, and anti environment bills that are a cancer eating at American values.
But, yeah, just keep up with deflections. Nothing to see here.

How do they suppress voting rights exactly? That’s something to do with zoning and ID/background checks, yeah?
Sorry the idea is still too foreign to me to accept lol

 

[Twilight Hue]

Ah, an indirect ad hominem, instead of actually bothering to address the question itself. Where have I seen that before?

Just look at the multitude of hominems directed at me alone!

You have to even ask? ;0]

 

[Shadow Wolf]

How do they suppress voting rights exactly? That’s something to do with zoning and ID/background checks, yeah?
Sorry the idea is still too foreign to me to accept lol

Closing voting booths, closing DMV branches (where most of us here get registered to vote), limiting and closing polling locations, restricting who may collect ballots and turn them in, ID laws that permit concealed carry permits but not student IDs (not make exceptions for elderly black people who don't have a Social Security Number), restricting early voting and mail in voting, restricting voting hours, and encouraging poll watching in bad ways (how does one tell by appearance alone who should be there?)
If Reps had their way we'd all be standing in line all day to vote.

 

[Valjean]

How do they suppress voting rights exactly? That’s something to do with zoning and ID/background checks, yeah?
Sorry the idea is still too foreign to me to accept lol

Voter suppression in the United States - Wikipedia

 

[SomeRandom]

Closing voting booths, closing DMV branches (where most of us here get registered to vote), limiting and closing polling locations, restricting who may collect ballots and turn them in, ID laws that permit concealed carry permits but not student IDs (not make exceptions for elderly black people who don't have a Social Security Number), restricting early voting and mail in voting, restricting voting hours, and encouraging poll watching in bad ways (how does one tell by appearance alone who should be there?)
If Reps had their way we'd all be standing in line all day to vote.

And you guys claim to be a democracy. Wow

 

[Shadow Wolf]

And you guys claim to be a democracy. Wow

Particularly and especially the ones pushing that crap. The way Republicans talk you'd if we modernized the process and made it more like the rest of the West we'd instantly be transformed into something that resembles a failing former-Soviet state no has heard of where ballot boxes are stuffed with handfuls of ballots and NGO poll watchers are threatened.

 

[SomeRandom]

Particularly and especially the ones pushing that crap. The way Republicans talk you'd if we modernized the process and made it more like the rest of the West we'd instantly be transformed into something that resembles a failing former-Soviet state no has heard of where ballot boxes are stuffed with handfuls of ballots and NGO poll watchers are threatened.

Huh the more I learn about American politics the more I realise I will never understand it properly. So much propaganda, rhetoric, misuse of definitions just in general, not directing that at a specific party. I mean I won’t pretend to understand my own country’s politics since it’s basically milquetoast Right leaning conservatives with a dash of fundamentalism here and there vs milquetoast leftish leaning moderates. Honestly there’s more vibrancy in the “fans” who engage in it all. I just show up to the booth so I don’t get fined and the “gold coin donation to insert charity here” BBQ of course. I wish you guys luck and please pass the popcorn. Sorry but your presidential campaigns and antics are more entertaining for me

 

[Valjean]

And you guys claim to be a democracy. Wow

We're a hegemonic oligarchy.

 

[pearl]

I make no comment other than to post, but there is something much, much, much more sinister going on in the Republican side of the American experiment with democracy.

Maybe its nothing new, but now no longer any attempt to hide it.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Cancer is generally more benign. At least cancer doesn't do filibusters to prevent money being spent on cancer treatment.


Why would anyone want to be "bipartisan" with fascists? That seems unwise and unlikely to end well.

Germany got a dose of that when Bismarck made Hitler part of his government.