And the sons of the prophets who were in Jericho opposite him saw him, and they said, 'The spirit of Elijah rests on Elisha.' And they came to meet him and bowed to the ground before him. 2 Ki. 2:15
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Where are the Dead?
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And thou shalt be brought down, and shalt speak out of the ground, and thy speech shall be low out of the dust, and thy voice shall be, as of one that hath a familiar spirit, out of the ground, and thy speech shall whisper out of the dust. (Isa. 29:4 KJV)
Generally, those who have difficulty returning live close to material and family possessions, others live close to the trauma of accidents.
Generally, those who have difficulty returning live close to material and family possessions, others live close to the trauma of accidents.
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1) The disembodied spirits are on a trajectory of return to God, and in exceptional situations, they can reoccupy their not yet decomposed bodies, experiencing resurrection.
2) This is very complex. There are diversities of spirits
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; (1 Tim. 4:1 KJV)
By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; (1 Pet. 3:19 KJV)
3) It depends on what the spirits want; some seek vengeance.
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? (Rev. 6:9-10 KJV)
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
As far as I know, there isn't an argument about the video. You were asked a simple question, but for some reason, you're not giving a straight answer.
Certainly, there is a misguided tendency to categorize narratives related to the "beyond" as manifestations of schizophrenia, which is an inappropriate classification in the field of psychiatric medicine.
cataway
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“And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.” (Revelation 21:4)
Trailblazer
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I still don't understand what you think that Bible verse means. Do you believe there are earthbound spirits?
I believe that this world will be much better in the future, but there will always be pain and suffering and physical death on earth since that is the nature of this physical world.
I don't understand why anyone would want to live forever on earth. According to my beliefs there are much better worlds waiting for us after we die.
“As to thy question concerning the worlds of God. Know thou of a truth that the worlds of God are countless in their number, and infinite in their range. None can reckon or comprehend them except God, the All-Knowing, the All-Wise.” Gleanings, pp. 151-152
“O My servants! Sorrow not if, in these days and on this earthly plane, things contrary to your wishes have been ordained and manifested by God, for days of blissful joy, of heavenly delight, are assuredly in store for you. Worlds, holy and spiritually glorious, will be unveiled to your eyes. You are destined by Him, in this world and hereafter, to partake of their benefits, to share in their joys, and to obtain a portion of their sustaining grace. To each and every one of them you will, no doubt, attain.” Gleanings, p. 329
Trailblazer
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That is what I believe, that the spirit returning to God is an ongoing process that begins when we die and continues forever.
“And now concerning thy question regarding the soul of man and its survival after death. Know thou of a truth that the soul, after its separation from the body, will continue to progress until it attaineth the presence of God, in a state and condition which neither the revolution of ages and centuries, nor the changes and chances of this world, can alter. It will endure as long as the Kingdom of God, His sovereignty, His dominion and power will endure. It will manifest the signs of God and His attributes, and will reveal His loving kindness and bounty.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 155-156
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
I'm curious to know as well.
I know that Baha'is and spiritualists share similar beliefs regarding the afterlife as a result of our ongoing conversations. To be honest, I don't believe that Christians have a monopoly on how the Bible should be properly interpreted. In light of the fact that they rarely agree with each other, I won't accept their preferred beliefs or their preferred biblical interpretation of what they believe happens to people after they die. The first and primary reason for me to doubt the Bible, however, is the forty-four years of firsthand experience with earthbound human spirits that plainly contradict what it teaches about death and the afterlife. The second reason is the past sixteen years of direct encounters that I've had with the earthbound spirits of Christians. There is also a third reason, and that is the direct encounters I've had with earthbound spirits who were irreligious or non-Christian theists who were in shock that there is an afterlife. Frankly, I believe that it would be profoundly dishonest of me to continue believing the Bible's depictions of the afterlife, given that my lifelong experiences have been in direct conflict with what it teaches. Any Christians who try to persuade me that their beliefs are the only ones that are correct are wasting their time. They will never be able to convince me that their interpretation of the Bible's depiction of the afterlife is the only one that's correct.
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Yes.
There are narratives in the writings that indicate that the Earth underwent transformations in six past eras
Trailblazer
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What do you think the Bible says that is in conflict with what you believe and have experienced? Mind you, I don't know the Bible nearly as well as you do. I only know a few chapters and verses.
But from what I have read of the Bible, I really don't think it is the Bible that teaches a distorted version of the afterlife, I think it is the Christian interpretation of certain verses that is distorted, leading Christians to have false beliefs.
The Scripture states that in the celestial realms, comprising many heavens, there are numerous abodes for spirits.
Trailblazer
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It sure does.
John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
The one main issue I've encountered with both living Christians and the earthbound spirits of Christians is that they either believe they will be in heaven with Jesus immediately after death or that they should be sleeping in their graves. It can be difficult to persuade these spirits to cross over when they are confused about what is happening to them or are very upset because they feel angry and betrayed because they were led to believe that they would either be in heaven immediately after death or sleeping in their grave. It's even more disturbing for them to learn that there are earthbound spirits (which they didn't believe in), that they are now one of these spirits, and that there are psychic mediums (like me) who can see, hear, and speak with the dead. One of the most memorable experiences I've had with one of these spirits was with the teenage girl that I mentioned in another thread (see my post here).
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cataway
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Jesus was speaking in privately to his disciples about the mansion .just because its in writhing does not mean it applies to every one that believe in Jesus .
Trailblazer
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That is only Christian dogma. It is not what the Bible says, it is how these Christians 'interpret' what the Bible says.
This situation is really sad, but I don't know what can be done about it, since Christians are so set in their beliefs, as you know. All you can do is what you can do by helping the few earthbound spirits you encounter, but I cannot imagine how many more of them there are wandering around lost and scared, or what will happen to them.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Just because Jesus was speaking to His disciples that does not mean that the verse does not apply to everyone.
Much of the New Testament is Jesus speaking to His disciples, but they don't only apply to the disciples.
There are no Bible verses that say that anyone who dies will live on Earth forever.
Alien826
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Did you see the South park episode where some people arrive in Hell and get an orientation talk? I add that Satan is not so bad and nor is Hell. And heaven is ... well read on.
Anyway, the orientation guy (who has a clipboard) says "Welcome to Hell". One of the new arrivals says "Hey, I'm Christian, I shouldn't be here!". The guy says, "I'm sorry, you didn't get it right. The ones that got it right and are in heaven are ... [pause to consult clipboard] ... the Mormons!".
In a later episode we get a glimpse of Heaven, filled with Mormons who are so so nice and do family oriented things all the time.