Where are Trump's financial data and tax returns?

[Lighthouse]

Lots of people say this. Me for one.

Nobody in the RW media say it. It doesn't suit their narrative. But that doesn't mean nobody says it. It means you don't hear it.
Tom

I think you're saying something a little different rather than promoting the idea that you can know someone's entire book of business life just based on measly tax returns.

 

[Acim]

Lots of people say this. Me for one.

If you say it, then you are being undeniably ignorant.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

From my own readings, big part is manipulations of business assets against stocks, on top of bankrupting businesses without letting it touch personal assets. But again, I tried to argue it and the folks I was talking to were more than skeptical.

I've also suspected these manipulations, strategic bankruptcies, and moving debt, but that doesn't make him a successful at doing business, it makes him good at cheating the system. We also know he does make money from selling his name, which will stay afloat as long as he can stay afloat. But, again that isn't business, it's a cult of personality.
Really, before this election I never really thought about or questioned it, but now that he's exposed himself to the world, it has raised far more questions about him than it's answered. And one of those major questions is how does someone who gets defensive over his hand size, mocks the disability of a journalist who reported things Trump didn't believe in, and gets into a Twitter war at 3 - 5 AM with a former beauty queen and telling people to watch her non-existent sex tape make it in business without being eaten alive? Successful and powerful politicians and executives cannot afford to be as careless and brash as Trump is. If he wins, he's starting with very few allies and tons of enemies. It's almost like he has no foresight, because he was able to gain in the short term with a surprising (but not surprising in hind-sight and once facts are known) primary win, but when it comes to what really matters at the state level, he has nothing. He's offended so many Republicans and Democrats that he may just face worst obstructionism than what Hillary will face or what Obama has faced, and he has brought it upon himself.
He's shown he can cause a short-lived feedback frenzy loop of feeding the people who feed his ego, but the debates have shown us he is delusional and looking exhausted.

Business isn't some popularity contest.

No, but everything to various degrees is a personality contest, and Trump has not shown he has the personality or characteristics of someone who can be successful at politics or business. If he really gets upset over someone saying he has small hands (which is a seriously WTF? type of insult to begin with), what are his business dealings really like because business, especially high-roller international business, is not for the weak.

 

[columbus]

I think you're saying something a little different rather than promoting the idea that you can know someone's entire book of business life just based on measly tax returns.

Since Trump's only credentials are his brilliant financial dealings, I would expect a lot more than just his tax returns.

Hillary is running on her public record. Trump is running on his claims, none of which can be substantiated because he won't release the documents that would back up his claims.
Tom

 

[Lighthouse]

Since Trump's only credentials are his brilliant financial dealings, I would expect a lot more than just his tax returns.

Hillary is running on her public record. Trump is running on his claims, none of which can be substantiated because he won't release the documents that would back up his claims.
Tom

I understand your concerns and can appreciate it mattering to you and others.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

What tradition?

No one answered as to the tax returns of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Abraham Lincoln.

The tradition that Hillary flaunted she was upholding but Trump was avoiding? The same tradition he demanded Romney follow?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Tradition is tradition and has only been so for like 50 years I believe. Also isn't a requirement.

I find it odd that so many are wanting more transparency, but yet so many are making this exception for Trump. Personally I think it's odd, and it's only going to tell you so much anyways, and we should know more about candidates, but let's be realistic; he barked at Obama to release his birth certificate; Trump submitted his own birth certificate to prove his dad isn't an orange-haired orangutan when a brief rivalry between him and Bill Maher saying he would pay Trump $5 million to produce the BC to prove his non-orangutan father (and Trump getting into a rivalry with a comedian is another sign of weakness and lack of foresight - especially when it starts over a claim so absurd), and Trump barked at Romney to release his taxes, but Trump is not releasing his tax forms.Why not?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Depends on how one subjectively views "winning." For me, a losing mentality is one who views themselves as a loser, eats sleeps and dwells on it rather than finding the win and positivity in the loss. Also depends on how one views "leadership," "businesslike," "professional" qualities.

Sayin "I whine until I get what I want" is not what something who is strong and wise says. They don't whine, they go do it. Really, it makes me wonder if Trump has a group that keeps themselves close, or perhaps even those that come and go, getting to use Trump as their own personal Champagne Fountain as long as they keep making him money.

 

[Lighthouse]

I find it odd that so many are wanting more transparency, but yet so many are making this exception for Trump. Personally I think it's odd, and it's only going to tell you so much anyways, and we should know more about candidates, but let's be realistic; he barked at Obama to release his birth certificate; Trump submitted his own birth certificate to prove his dad isn't an orange-haired orangutan when a brief rivalry between him and Bill Maher saying he would pay Trump $5 million to produce the BC to prove his non-orangutan father (and Trump getting into a rivalry with a comedian is another sign of weakness and lack of foresight - especially when it starts over a claim so absurd), and Trump barked at Romney to release his taxes, but Trump is not releasing his tax forms.Why not?

I understand your concerns. If someone says they'll do something after such and such, I would hope that they would. If they bark at others, and not do it themselves... it would be their own form of hypocrisy. We know the people are not voting for two angels. People not willing to overlook the tax returns are justified in their right to make this a matter of importance to them. How dense of a reason this is, is subjective.

 

[idav]

Yeah, I wish there was a way to investigate Trump's past and anything negative he might have done. Unfortunately that's just not possible until we see his tax returns.

Said no one. Ever.

Yeah transparency is good enough for clinton but not trump. We are talking about an election who has exposed more than just Hillarys financial dealings. Trump folks should have nothing to worry about if he was as open book as hillary right? Yeah right.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Well, I guess Trump did prove that relations between America and Russia are at an all time high, because we didn't have a publicized media crucifying of Trump when Putin and Kim Jong Un supported him, so relations between N Korea must be looking pretty good as well. And that's the "Communism" that I don't even want.

 

[Lighthouse]

Sayin "I whine until I get what I want" is not what something who is strong and wise says. They don't whine, they go do it. Really, it makes me wonder if Trump has a group that keeps themselves close, or perhaps even those that come and go, getting to use Trump as their own personal Champagne Fountain as long as they keep making him money.

I think that everyone complains to some degree. Some of it reasonable and perhaps justifiable, some of it pity.

I'm sure that many stick around for the loot. Money has a powerful impact and make people think of and do irrational things.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

How dense of a reason this is, is subjective.

It's not subjective as it is a rather "dense" question when there is reasonable suspicion to call into question the very essence of his existence. The longer this goes on, the more I suspect he may be a real-life "smoke and mirrors/Hollywood" gimmick. Realistically, the family business is about the only one he's shown to have any competency in, but even with that he has a very shady record and is better at cheating and manipulating the system than anything. We already know he's loaning his campaign money so he can turn around and make a profit from it. Close examination may reveal he has a "Ferengi-like" "business model," which thrives from dirty practices, cheating, and stealing with actually running a successful and honest business being of little concern when there are so many ways to skim extra money from people, pad numbers, and tactical favors to gain.

 

[Lighthouse]

Well, I guess Trump did prove that relations between America and Russia are at an all time high, because we didn't have a publicized media crucifying of Trump when Putin and Kim Jong Un supported him, so relations between N Korea must be looking pretty good as well. And that's the "Communism" that I don't even want.

Russia could be your greatest ally right now, and you wouldn't know it.
Russia could have nothing to do with this election, and you wouldn't know it.
Russia could be falsely perceived and made out to appear as the culprit and you wouldn't know it.
Making enemies or completely severing ties would be irrational in my opinion.

All depends on where you place your blind trust in.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I think that everyone complains to some degree. Some of it reasonable and perhaps justifiable, some of it pity.

Complaining is not whining.

 

[Acim]

Yeah transparency is good enough for clinton but not trump.

She's transparent on the tax returns. On almost all other accounts she is very guarded, thus not truly good enough for clinton.

We are talking about an election who has exposed more than just Hillarys financial dealings. Trump folks should have nothing to worry about if he was as open book as hillary right? Yeah right.

Hillary, open book? OMG, that's hilarious.

 

[Acim]

Complaining is not whining.

Then Trump has not whined within the last year.

 

[Lighthouse]

It's not subjective as it is a rather "dense" question when there is reasonable suspicion to call into question the very essence of his existence. The longer this goes on, the more I suspect he may be a real-life "smoke and mirrors/Hollywood" gimmick. Realistically, the family business is about the only one he's shown to have any competency in, but even with that he has a very shady record and is better at cheating and manipulating the system than anything. We already know he's loaning his campaign money so he can turn around and make a profit from it. Close examination may reveal he has a "Ferengi-like" "business model," which thrives from dirty practices, cheating, and stealing with actually running a successful and honest business being of little concern when there are so many ways to skim extra money from people, pad numbers, and tactical favors to gain.

You very well may be right or you very well may be wrong. Or both right and wrong.

I don't think there is such thing as an honest business with no unfaithful practice, or no exploitation of an exploitable designed system.

 

[Lighthouse]

Complaining is not whining.

What is your definition of whining?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Russia could be your greatest ally right now, and you wouldn't know it.
Russia could have nothing to do with this election, and you wouldn't know it.
Russia could be falsely perceived and made out to appear as the culprit and you wouldn't know it.
Making enemies or completely severing ties would be irrational in my opinion.

All depends on where you place your blind trust in.

I was referring to the fact that just in the rather recent past stretching back to the mid-20th Century if anyone else had such endorsements it would have been over for them. But, then again, any other candidate in the past also would have been axed from any sort of possibility of political success talking about some troops and their families they way he has. Honestly, it still surprises me he survived that because insulting the troops and their families, or speaking ill of them in any way, especially the family of a soldier that died in combat, is a serious mega-huge taboo for many Republicans and Conservatives..