Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Are God a person?
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Where did world come from?
- Thread starter questfortruth
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It grew from a little speck of dust on the back of that turtle we've heard so much about.
Father Heathen
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Since nobody knows the cure for cancer, I could make something up and it would magically become the cure?
questfortruth
Well-Known Member
The wording. The wording "God exists, God is not person, God is rock, God is Moon, God is water, God is Zeus,..." means Theism.
The wording "God does not exist (because there is no proof of God)" means Atheism.
Altfish
Veteran Member
Yes, and I communicate with Elvis every day. He told me how the Earth was created and Blue Suede Shoes
questfortruth
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Elvis is not God. So, you have remained Disbeliever.
Altfish
Veteran Member
Rubbish, Elvis is a god ... how dare you diss my belief.
TagliatelliMonster
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TagliatelliMonster
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Medication can silence those voices.
Nimos
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I think you might have misunderstood my first post.
You said there were only two options, "Don't know" or "God exist".
I suggested that whatever created the Universe might always have existed and being none intelligent, meaning that it might simply be a natural thing, that have always been there and weren't created by anything or anyone.
That would be a third option, correct?
stvdv
Veteran Member
Yes...I prefer to keep it simple...2 words will do if asked... "God exists"...then no need to explain
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stvdv
Veteran Member
You must be a humanist
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Then why can't theists come to a one religion, one book, one interpretation consensus if they have this direct line of communication?
You haven't given a second option to "from God." You've given a second answer, but it doesn't include an alternative to "from God."
There are just naturalistic and supernaturalistic candidates for the origin of the universe, and no other possibility that I can imagine, so yes, there is no third option.
You referred to the god of the gaps. The gaps shrink as man learns more about the natural world and how it works. Perhaps you're unfamiliar with that knowledge if you call it nothing.
Most atheists don't say that. Will you ever learn how atheists define themselves? Does it matter to you at all, or are you content to keep making this error and being corrected on it by atheists?
I don't believe you. There's no evidence that you aren't talking to yourself and don't recognize that.
Unfortunately, that opinion of yours has been so normalized that it hardly raises an eyebrow.
"George Bush says he speaks to god every day, and Christians love him for it. If George Bush said he spoke to god through his hair dryer, they would think he was mad. I fail to see how the addition of a hair dryer makes it any more absurd." - Sam Harris
If your definition of God as rock makes one a theist, then who isn't a theist? Do you actually have to call the rock a God. When one softens his definitions such that they exclude nothing, they become useless. Those who call every worldview a religion have made the word religion useless, since we already have the word worldview for that. And theism becomes meaningless if it includes belief in rocks and moons and water. Who does that not include?
If you choose and only if you choose, you can read the 'Tablet of the Universe', it tells us how Spititual creation was given of God, and from that creation we can derive understanding as to how the material creation came into being.
Here it is.
Tablet of the Universe
Regards Tony
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
That's a good question you asked, Father Heathen. You'll have to ask the Eastern Orthodox Christians, the Catholic Christians, the Baptist Christians, the Methodist Christians, the Lutheran Christians, the Anglican Christians, the Presbyterian Christians, the Non-Denominational Christians (and I haven't even scratched the surface of how many other Christian churches are in the US alone).
Never mind, it would be easier for you to find a needle in a haystack than to get a straight answer to your question from all these different Christians. You see, Christians hardly ever agree with each other on biblical interpretation, church doctrines, and theology.
Some Christians believe that salvation is unconditional, while other Christians believe that salvation is conditional. Some Christians believe that baptism is a requirement for salvation, while other Christians believe that salvation is by faith alone and not by works.
Finally, there are the Christians who believe in the Rapture, while other Christians don't believe in the Rapture. But the Christians who believe in the Rapture can't agree when this event will supposedly take place. I think you can get my point that Christianity is a deeply divided religion, and getting all these Christians to agree on a single answer to any theological question is impossible.
questfortruth
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CREATOR creates. How Universe came to be? If it was CREATED, then there is CREATOR - GOD.
Because the satan mixes truth with lies, and so he creates all infinite variety of cults.
No. No naturalistic mechanisms of Universe creation were discovered yet. No plausible naturalistic explanation was given yet. Because there is still the God of the Gaps. Atheists answer: "we do not know how Universe came to be yet."
Theists answer: "From God came Universe to be." Because there is no third answer, and cannot be, then God is proven.
No. Science has discovered, that it knows only 5 % of the matter. There are totally unknown Dark Energy and Dark Matter. Hence, the more Science learns, the more Science does not know.
To learn from hell-goners? No. I am not condemning. I just inform you, that according to Christianity, all Atheists will be in hell. Tell me a way how it is possible to say: "There is no God, but I will not die and I will go to God"? Then they are hell-goners, according to the definition from my Religion. No second option for them, if God exists.
The one who has said: "I have lack of belief in God, because there cannot be God, because there is no proof of God."
But one who says: "There is God, but God is wood statue", is called pagan theist, pagan believer in God.
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Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Hell goers? You are not God , stop condemning others who does not believe exactly as you do.
Just stop...please