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Where do you lie on the political spectrum?

Vile Atheist

Loud and Obnoxious
You know it's pretty bad when an ATHEIST votes Conservative, even when he admits they let their religion influence their politics. That's how inept all the other choices are. Harper is the only party leader with any formal education in economics.
 

shortfade2

Active Member
Wow. I still think I would like to give it a shot. I hate the gap thats between the American people. The country is in two sides. We arent Americans anymore
 

te_lanus

Alien Hybrid
Take it from a Canadian, with a multi-party system, you'll still hate all the parties :)
I'm with ContentiusMaximus here. In South Africa we had in this year's election something like 35-45 parties contesting the elections. And listening to each party speak is like watching paint dry. As most parties is just splinters from the two big parties. So having two parties make more sense to me.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Shame on you, Smoke.

I'm guessing that the demographics of the Americans on this forum are not reflective of American society in general - though I suspect that many of the forum members forget that pretty often.
 

Vile Atheist

Loud and Obnoxious
Wow. I still think I would like to give it a shot. I hate the gap thats between the American people. The country is in two sides. We arent Americans anymore

The same divide will exist with a multi-party system. The only difference you'll likely see is that American politics will become less decisive and more divided.

For example, in Canada, virtually every single party with the exception of the Conservatives is either left, or left-of-centre. The Conservatives are the only right-wing party. Well, right-of-centre.

The left wing is split up by 4 main parties (Liberals - Toronto area, NDP - Northern Ontario/Prairies, Bloc Quebecois - Quebec, and the Greens - nowhere in particular).

There is stronger support for the left wing than the right. But because the left wing is split and the right is not, the Conservatives can compete neck-and-neck with the Liberals.

Our politics involve coalitions and backstabbings and old white guys screaming at each other. Things don't really get done very quickly. I prefer the decisiveness of American politics, but I prefer the safeguards against corruption of a Canadian style of governance.

Alternatively, I would advance the notion of a no-party system. Candidates run independently and are chosen on their merits, not blind partisanship.


Edit: I don't know how familiar you are with Canadian politics, but one feature of the multi-party system is coalitions. Smaller parties with similar ideologies will band together and compromise on issues and put their collective power together to stand a chance at power. That's how it is supposed to work in principle, but in Canada, the opposite happens.

The big parties with the highest chances of winning form the coalitions and the fringe parties stay divided. In fact, sometimes they make roads to divide further. I believe the Communist-Marxist party split up into separate Communist and Marxist parties not too long ago. Which was pretty stupid of them, considering they only had a few thousand votes. They were already insignificant.

One of the big issues of contention is forming coalitions with the Bloc Quebecois - the Quebec separatist party. The Bloc gets roughly 10% support (all from Quebec). They'll never attain power, but they play a huge role in keeping governments in power and taking them out, as it suits them.
 
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Vile Atheist

Loud and Obnoxious
I'm with ContentiusMaximus here. In South Africa we had in this year's election something like 35-45 parties contesting the elections. And listening to each party speak is like watching paint dry. As most parties is just splinters from the two big parties. So having two parties make more sense to me.

But it severely limits your options of who you can vote for. You're basically left with dumb and dumber. At least with the multi-party system, you have a variety of idiots to choose from.

I think the multi-party system beats the bipartisan system and a no-party system beats both.
 

shortfade2

Active Member
But it severely limits your options of who you can vote for. You're basically left with dumb and dumber. At least with the multi-party system, you have a variety of idiots to choose from.

I think the multi-party system beats the bipartisan system and a no-party system beats both.

YESS!!! SOMEONE WHO SHARES MY BELIEFS!!! :clap even though we disagree on religious views who cares!!??
 

McBell

Unbound
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shortfade2

Active Member
[sarcasm]He might care... :(
God might care... :([/sarcasm]
Uh... I dunno who else might care XD. But yeh, it's good to see a wise person, regardless of religion :).

Yeah, I hate the people who believe the crap that the parties just throw out there, and think, "Well, the Republicans must be evil" or, "The friken democrats are ruining our country!"
 

McBell

Unbound
Yeah, I hate the people who believe the crap that the parties just throw out there, and think, "Well, the Republicans must be evil" or, "The friken democrats are ruining our country!"
Replace 'republicans' AND 'democrats' with "politicians".
 

McBell

Unbound
Oh, we've got som1 who believes politicians here, eh? So they all tell the truth and should be trusted completely?
Wow.
You are rather extremely dense, aren't you?


Now let us take a looksie at what was said and in response to what:
This is what I said:
Replace 'republicans' AND 'democrats' with "politicians".
and it was in response to:
Yeah, I hate the people who believe the crap that the parties just throw out there, and think, "Well, the Republicans must be evil" or, "The friken democrats are ruining our country!"
Now for ***** and giggles let us do exactly what I said:
"Well, the politicians must be evil" or, "The friken politicians are ruining our country!"
Now perhaps you would be so kind as to tell me how it is exactly you get that I think "they all tell the truth and should be trusted completely?"
 

Gentoo

The Feisty Penguin
Compass:

You are a left social libertarian.
Left: 4.05, Libertarian: 3.64

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Hmm... I thought I'd be more centrist...
 

T-Dawg

Self-appointed Lunatic
Oh, we've got som1 who believes politicians here, eh? So they all tell the truth and should be trusted completely?
No, he's saying that if you replaced "republican" and "democrat" with "politician," the statements would be correct:
"Well, the politicians must be evil"
"The friken politicians are ruining our country!"

This quiz is horribly innacurate, IMO. The only reason I'm on the left is because I'm vehemently anti-capitalist, and about 3/5 of the questions are related to capitalism. I'm definitely right wing in that I want small government. The questions make it sound like that conservatives and "neocons" are the same thing (there's seriously a question that says something like "It is wrong to question a leader during wartime." WHAT THE HECK?!? HOW THE HECK CAN ANYONE SERIOUSLY AGREE TO THAT STATEMENT?!? I probably got leftie points for "strongly disagreeing" to that).
 

shortfade2

Active Member
Wow.
You are rather extremely dense, aren't you?


Now let us take a looksie at what was said and in response to what:
This is what I said:
Replace 'republicans' AND 'democrats' with "politicians".
and it was in response to:
Yeah, I hate the people who believe the crap that the parties just throw out there, and think, "Well, the Republicans must be evil" or, "The friken democrats are ruining our country!"
Now for ***** and giggles let us do exactly what I said:
"Well, the politicians must be evil" or, "The friken politicians are ruining our country!"
Now perhaps you would be so kind as to tell me how it is exactly you get that I think "they all tell the truth and should be trusted completely?"
Sorry, I get so much sarcasm on these forums that I cant defferentiate between the two.
 

T-Dawg

Self-appointed Lunatic
Compass:

You are a left social libertarian.
Left: 4.05, Libertarian: 3.64

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Hmm... I thought I'd be more centrist...

In America, "centrist" is refered to as "far-left" XD.

But yeh, I wouldn't let this test determine your political stance. A lot of the questions were very poorly worded, or were generalizations. For example, one of the questions went something like "It is wrong that some people make much more money than others." This is a defective question because it does not state where they get the money, or how much more money. A person who makes 200% what I do because he got a "better" job or works more hours is fine, as far as I'm concerned. An employer who makes 5000% what his employees make without even doing actual work is NOT acceptable.
 
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