Where Do You Put Your Faith?

[YoursTrue]

False.

I frequently use "YHWH" but don't use "Jehovah" as the latter is just a made-up name.

You probably know the original sounds of Hebrew are lost so in that scenario you presented you can't say Jesus or Mary either. In other words...

 

[YoursTrue]

No they are not responsible for the deaths of others; and what does this have to do with what I said?

So if a bomb is dropped and kills people the bomber doesn't know, that's ok with you?

 

[YoursTrue]

Again, it'
s done out of respect, especially since everyone who practices Judaism well knows what haShem is. It is not done out of superstition.

I don't believe in hell-- unless it's a reference to RF.

Sorry Metis I have close family members that are very Jewish meaning born, raised and stay Jews. They do not know what haShem means.

 

[Whateverist]

Scientists don't make such "promises". However, science does produce more and better results than religion does. If you're sick, whose treatment would you consider to be more reliable; a doctor and his medicine or a priest and his prayers?

Well the doctor, of course.

But if you were trying to understand existence who would you put your faith in, some one eyed SOB looking down a microscope or a poet alive to their experience such as Blake, Whitman or Keats?

 

[nPeace]

I realize that was your point. Nevertheless, the tetragrammaton is covered over THOUSANDS of times for the unwary perhaps unsuspecting reader as LORD, a serious degradation of the scriptures. It is not wrritten in the holy scriptures as LORD, it's written as the tetragrammaton, the four Hebrew letters for the name of God. You can believe it's too sacred to say as others do, it is I would say for those who disobey God yet may use his name, and was likely taught that by their religious leaders, which is likely why Jesus said, "Our father in heaven, hallowed by thy name." He wasn't speaking of his (Jesus) name, but of his Father's name, which is what my question to you was about. Later -- have a good night...

I don't think the problem is the Tetragramaton. Perhaps you might need to find out what different names of God @metis thinks there are, so you can better understand each other.

 

[metis]

I don't think the problem is the Tetragramaton. Perhaps you might need to find out what different names of God @metis thinks there are, so you can better understand each other.

It's not a matter of what I "think" but what is the fact as I posted in #322.

 

[nPeace]

It's not a matter of what I "think" but what is the fact as I posted in #322.

Looking at the reference there, I am reminded of Genesis 2:19, 20
19 Now Jehovah God had been forming from the ground every wild animal of the field and every flying creature of the heavens, and he began bringing them to the man to see what he would call each one; and whatever the man would call each living creature, that became its name. 20 So the man named all the domestic animals and the flying creatures of the heavens and every wild animal of the field. . .

The name of each animal did identify their distinct characteristics. Like dog, cat, bird, etc, but those were not personal names, such as we give to our pets, like "Blackie", "Bob", "Whiskers", etc.
Likewise, man and woman are names identifying our characteristics, but they are not personal names.
River, is the name given to a body of water flowing from a source, but the "personal" name of the river sets it apart from others.

For example...
(Genesis 2:10-14) 10 Now there was a river flowing out of Eʹden to water the garden, and from there it divided into four rivers. 11 The name of the first is Piʹshon; it is the one encircling the entire land of Havʹi·lah, where there is gold. 12 The gold of that land is good. Bdellium gum and onyx stone are also there. 13 The name of the second river is Giʹhon; it is the one encircling the entire land of Cush. 14 The name of the third river is Hidʹde·kel; it is the one going to the east of As·syrʹi·a. And the fourth river is the Eu·phraʹtes.

While there are infact many names for an individual, which are actually titles - man, business man, manager, architect, father, husband, etc. That individual has only one personal name.
Similarly, while God has many titles, which people prefer to refer to as names - God, Lord, Lord God, God Almighty, God, Supreme One, etc, God has only one personal name, which he alone has, and which he says people will have to know, whether they like it or not.
(Jeremiah 16:21) . . .“So I will make them know, At this time I will make them know my power and my might, And they will have to know that my name is Jehovah יְהוָֹה Yhvh : the proper name of the God of Israel.”

Some people prefer to use the four constants JHWH, JHVH, YHWH, YHVH.
Some prefer the Hebrew translation / transliteration Yahweh.
Some prefer the commonly used English name Jehovah.

However, repeatedly, God has made his name known throughout his word, the Bible.
(Psalm 83:18) . . .May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.

(Exodus 6:3) And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty, but with regard to my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them.

(Isaiah 42:8) I am Jehovah. That is my name; I give my glory to no one else, Nor my praise to graven images.

Does God have a personal name? Yes he does.
What is God's personal name? God tells us. "I am Jehovah יְהוָֹה. That is my name..." (Isaiah 42:8)
God introduces himself to us, by name.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Sounds like God is playing games. Playing some weird puppet master game.

Actually, Jehovah has been staying out of human affairs, due to issues of sovereignty raised in the Garden of Eden….. Genesis 3:1-6 gives us some details. God was called a liar, and His way of ruling was questioned. (Read the account for yourself… you can see the issue of sovereignty was raised.)
By listening to that “Serpent, the one called Devil and Satan” (Revelation 12:9), A&E gave the issue validity. So Jehovah has allowed humans to rule themselves, to make a record, & settle the issue once for all time.

I see you quoted part of my earlier post, but left out quite a bit. Why? I guess you are not starving.

(Rhetorical question: Do you care about those who are, or the innumerable others who are being unjustly treated? Just something to think about.)

You already live in a country, wherever it may be, and you are required, I.e., have to live by its laws… do you think that God’s laws would be worse?

I know one thing…individuals can get many more benefits from God’s rule, than any benefits from human rule!

Take care, my cousin.

 

[Little Dragon]

You already live in a country, wherever it may be, and you are required, I.e., have to live by its laws… do you think that God’s laws would be worse?

England, UK. I think your God's laws could potentially be horrific. Since I do not know what kind of God your God is. Your God could introduce mandatory human sacrifice for all I know. Given what I've read in the OT of the Bible.

I know one thing…individuals can get many more benefits from God’s rule, than any benefits from human rule!

That may be so. However I would rather live in a democratic society with it's faults and weaknesses than under the fist of a deity. That is enslavement. The power imbalance between ruler and ruled would be unacceptable, a leader you cannot remove, is a dictator.

 

[metis]

Looking at the reference there, I am reminded of Genesis 2:19, 20
19 Now Jehovah God had been forming from the ground every wild animal of the field and every flying creature of the heavens, and he began bringing them to the man to see what he would call each one; and whatever the man would call each living creature, that became its name. 20 So the man named all the domestic animals and the flying creatures of the heavens and every wild animal of the field. . .

The name of each animal did identify their distinct characteristics. Like dog, cat, bird, etc, but those were not personal names, such as we give to our pets, like "Blackie", "Bob", "Whiskers", etc.
Likewise, man and woman are names identifying our characteristics, but they are not personal names.
River, is the name given to a body of water flowing from a source, but the "personal" name of the river sets it apart from others.

For example...
(Genesis 2:10-14) 10 Now there was a river flowing out of Eʹden to water the garden, and from there it divided into four rivers. 11 The name of the first is Piʹshon; it is the one encircling the entire land of Havʹi·lah, where there is gold. 12 The gold of that land is good. Bdellium gum and onyx stone are also there. 13 The name of the second river is Giʹhon; it is the one encircling the entire land of Cush. 14 The name of the third river is Hidʹde·kel; it is the one going to the east of As·syrʹi·a. And the fourth river is the Eu·phraʹtes.

While there are infact many names for an individual, which are actually titles - man, business man, manager, architect, father, husband, etc. That individual has only one personal name.
Similarly, while God has many titles, which people prefer to refer to as names - God, Lord, Lord God, God Almighty, God, Supreme One, etc, God has only one personal name, which he alone has, and which he says people will have to know, whether they like it or not.
(Jeremiah 16:21) . . .“So I will make them know, At this time I will make them know my power and my might, And they will have to know that my name is Jehovah יְהוָֹה Yhvh : the proper name of the God of Israel.”

Some people prefer to use the four constants JHWH, JHVH, YHWH, YHVH.
Some prefer the Hebrew translation / transliteration Yahweh.
Some prefer the commonly used English name Jehovah.

However, repeatedly, God has made his name known throughout his word, the Bible.
(Psalm 83:18) . . .May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.

(Exodus 6:3) And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty, but with regard to my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them.

(Isaiah 42:8) I am Jehovah. That is my name; I give my glory to no one else, Nor my praise to graven images.

Does God have a personal name? Yes he does.
What is God's personal name? God tells us. "I am Jehovah יְהוָֹה. That is my name..." (Isaiah 42:8)
God introduces himself to us, by name.

You ignore what my post says on the various names for YHWH, so there's nowhere else for me to go on this. And "Jehovah" is a made-up name, and you should be able to reason out why that is so. If you can't, then maybe do some studying on your own versus blindly believing what you've been brainwashed to believe.

 

[metis]

You probably know the original sounds of Hebrew are lost so in that scenario you presented you can't say Jesus or Mary either. In other words...

I don't have a problem saying either one as I'm fully aware that they are translations, and I don't have a problem with that.

 

[metis]

Sorry Metis I have close family members that are very Jewish meaning born, raised and stay Jews. They do not know what haShem means.

It means "the Name" and is commonly used within orthodox circles.

 

[YoursTrue]

It means "the Name" and is commonly used within orthodox circles.

Yes, metis! Many Jews outside the orthodox and conservative circles of Judaism do not know what haShem means, they do not read Hebrew and do not care about these things.

 

[YoursTrue]

You ignore what my post says on the various names for YHWH, so there's nowhere else for me to go on this. And "Jehovah" is a made-up name, and you should be able to reason out why that is so. If you can't, then maybe do some studying on your own versus blindly believing what you've been brainwashed to believe.

Since you bring out the misinformation that Jehovah is a "made up" name, you seem to disregard the fact that the original Hebrew pronunciation of all Hebrew way back when has been lost. And, as you like also know, there is no "J" sound in Hebrew at all. Therefore, you might as well say that Jerusalem and Jesus are "made up" names, ok?

 

[nPeace]

You ignore what my post says on the various names for YHWH, so there's nowhere else for me to go on this. And "Jehovah" is a made-up name, and you should be able to reason out why that is so. If you can't, then maybe do some studying on your own versus blindly believing what you've been brainwashed to believe.

I referred to what your post says on the various names for God. So, nothing you said here, is true.
It looks like you have ignored what I said, preferring to make personal attacks instead. Anger issues again?

 

[nPeace]

Since you bring out the misinformation that Jehovah is a "made up" name, you seem to disregard the fact that the original Hebrew pronunciation of all Hebrew way back when has been lost. And, as you like also know, there is no "J" sound in Hebrew at all. Therefore, you might as well say that Jerusalem and Jesus are "made up" names, ok?

Beautiful!
You named two, but I guess you wanted to save your fingers. Wise choice.

 

[metis]

Since you bring out the misinformation that Jehovah is a "made up" name, you seem to disregard the fact that the original Hebrew pronunciation of all Hebrew way back when has been lost. And, as you like also know, there is no "J" sound in Hebrew at all. Therefore, you might as well say that Jerusalem and Jesus are "made up" names, ok?

Biblical Hebrew as found in Torah does not include vowels, thus insertion of vowels is arbitrary.

 

[metis]

Therefore, you might as well say that Jerusalem and Jesus are "made up" names, ok?

Jerusalem is pronounced "Yarushalium", thus no "J" sound, OK? Jesus' name would be pronounced "YaShuah", so again no "J" sound.

Anyhow, I've got better things to do.

 

[metis]

I referred to what your post says on the various names for God. So, nothing you said here, is true.
It looks like you have ignored what I said, preferring to make personal attacks instead. Anger issues again?

It was not a personal attack [note the word "if"], and rhen you say the names I posted as found in your Bible as scripture is not true? And you say you believe in the Bible?

Goodbye.

 

[YoursTrue]

Jerusalem is pronounced "Yarushalium", thus no "J" sound, OK? Jesus' name would be pronounced "YaShuah", so again no "J" sound.

Anyhow, I've got better things to do.

Just to say...thank you. So no J sound in Hebrew. Got it.
One more thing. Guess the name Jesus is ok to say out loud but Yahweh is not, of course no J sound in Hebrew, and the four Hebrew letters constituting the Father's name is um, higher in sacredness than, uh, shall we say the Son's name? Because many say well out loud Jesus but not the Name of the Father.