Where does the moral authority to govern come from?

[epronovost]

I'd say the key factor for most people is safety/security.

People with an absence of this will usually happy give near any authority to a government that provides it.

It does make sense; you can't live without being alive.

 

[sun rise]

Well they don’t have my consent

If I say they don't have my consent either and I'm going to practice cannibalism because it's what I want to do and you look like dinner to me? After all, with no government there is no law and I'm free to do whatever I feel like because I feel like it.

Or maybe I'll just put a garbage dump next to where you live.

I could go on

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I remember you've said previously that you spent some time in Papua New Guinea. Is that what you're referring to?

Yep. I lived in a very remote part of PNG.

 

[an anarchist]

They pretty much do. How do you think that they could exist without government? And yes, if you use them with your attitude that does make you a hypocrite.

I believe in anarcho-capitalism. The theory states that the free market would peacefully provide all of the things that the state has currently forcefully monopolized.
am I a hypocrite? Or am I a prisoner of my government? Free range cow if you will.
I use roads, for example. The government has monopolized the infrastructure industry, through the use of force. Anything the state does is backed up by force, right? The government monopolizes most essential industries. Though I am an anarchist, I am still in need of essential services. And, through force, the government has it all monopolized. I still gotta use the road, though I don’t agree with how the road got there. The government uses force, so how am I a hypocrite, rather than someone under coercion?
I do agree with you though, I am a hypocrite. A true anarchist is growing their own food and living off the grid, I am far from it. Shooot I use food stamps man

 

[an anarchist]

How? If you want to claim it is possible you have to show how.

I suppose I’m just supposing. Here’s my thinking on whether we can evolve beyond the inevitability of government.
First, I hold that government is inherently immoral.
Second, man has the capacity to be moral. I believe this due to my religious beliefs.
It is possible for mankind to be collectively moral. The seemingly inevitable existence of government is merely a result of our collective immorality. So if there is a collective spiritual awakening, and we become more moral, naturally government would cease to exist. As it is immoral.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I believe in anarcho-capitalism. The theory states that the free market would peacefully provide all of the things that the state has currently forcefully monopolized.
am I a hypocrite? Or am I a prisoner of my government? Free range cow if you will.
I use roads, for example. The government has monopolized the infrastructure industry, through the use of force. Anything the state does is backed up by force, right? The government monopolizes most essential industries. Though I am an anarchist, I am still in need of essential services. And, through force, the government has it all monopolized. I still gotta use the road, though I don’t agree with how the road got there. The government uses force, so how am I a hypocrite, rather than someone under coercion?
I do agree with you though, I am a hypocrite. A true anarchist is growing their own food and living off the grid, I am far from it. Shooot I use food stamps man

Then you have no grounds for complaint when you suffer from your opposition to the system. If you get jailed and your car is taken away because you have not registered it then that is all on you.

And your supposed "theory" is of no value without evidence. It appears to be wishful thinking and that alone. And if you think things are bad now think how bad it would be if you were driving on a corporate road against their rules. They could easily confiscated your car and sell it off to pay for your fines. I think that the system we have now is far kinder to you than any that you can imagine.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I suppose I’m just supposing. Here’s my thinking on whether we can evolve beyond the inevitability of government.
First, I hold that government is inherently immoral.
Second, man has the capacity to be moral. I believe this due to my religious beliefs.
It is possible for mankind to be collectively moral. The seemingly inevitable existence of government is merely a result of our collective immorality. So if there is a collective spiritual awakening, and we become more moral, naturally government would cease to exist. As it is immoral.

Oh my, you just don't get it. There is a word for man working collectively together. It is called "government".

 

[epronovost]

I believe in anarcho-capitalism. The theory states that the free market would peacefully provide all of the things that the state has currently forcefully monopolized.

That's why I believe anarcho-capitalism is not actually anarchism, but a savage form of authoritarian autocracy ruled by robber barons. You absolutely cannot maintain a system of private property, businesses and ownership without force or even without a government structure if only to record and maintain acts of ownership and business deals. That's without even delving into the oppression the owner's class could levy against the tenants class.

 

[Kooky]

I believe in anarcho-capitalism. The theory states that the free market would peacefully provide all of the things that the state has currently forcefully monopolized.

Of course, in reality, capitalism provides neither free markets, nor can it work without systems of oppression and authority.
"Anarcho capitalism" is essentially "capitalism, but I'm closer to the top this time around".

 

[Revoltingest]

As an anarchist, I don’t believe that governments should be a thing. No individual, or group of individuals, have the right to govern ME! I don’t understand where this supposed authority comes from. I’ve heard a few reasonings as to why government has that authority. Friends have told me that government is inevitable, for example. I don’t agree with that statement. Even if government is inevitable, that doesn’t give them the moral authority to assume governance of me. Do people believe in the social contract? If you’re a statist, why do you feel like the state has the authority to govern you?

Government is useful because in any large group,
power will concentrate, & authority will come to exist.
Government is simply a more formal process.
Of course, it can go wrong. But on the whole, it beats
leaving things up to individuals informally acquiring
power over others.