Where from the characters or story of Adam and Eve did Torah copy from?

[ChristineES]

Maybe that would help combating fundamentalist with locked minds

I wouldn't even bother combating them.

 

[outhouse]

I wouldn't even bother combating them.

That's my biggest mistake.

Agreed

 

[paarsurrey]

OP:The most pertinent question therefore would be; where did Jewish Bible or Torah get the story of Adam and Eve from?

Where from it copied?

No not copied, PLAGIARIZED.

OK. If you don't like the word copied from for Torah; we change it with the word PLAGIARIZED, if that suit you well.

Please let us know:

Where did Jewish Bible or Torah get the story of Adam and Eve from or plagiarize from? Please

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

The scientific "Adam" and "Eve" are the tracing of a genetic lineage to one individual. That individual did not live alone.

I agree with you.
Adam lived in a tribe.

Regards

 

[outhouse]

OK. If you don't like the word copied from for Torah; we change it with the word PLAGIARIZED, if that suit you well.

Stop applying diferent methods to others religions, you do not apply to your own.

It is not honest.

 

[paarsurrey]

I understand that. What I am questioning that if there was a scientific "Adam" then would the woman he reproduced with be the "Eve" and not some other female? Of course, my question is moot since I believe in the symbolism of a lot of the stories of Genesis.

I believe these stories might have started in the same place and as people migrated the stories went them: "Branched out", so to speak. And they probably had some minor or even major changes. I've heard more than one type of "Adam and Eve" story and while they are similar, they are not the same.

References please.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

I'm not sure why they keep calling the last male-line common ancestor "Y chromosomal Adam", when the proper Biblical analogy would be Noah, not Adam.

I don't get you exactly. Please elaborate.

How come Noah is the first common ancestor ?

Why not Adam? Please

Regards

 

[Gjallarhorn]

I don't get you exactly. Please elaborate.

How come Noah is the first common ancestor ?

Why not Adam? Please

Regards

Uh, giant flood that killed everyone? One family remaining?

Pretty sure that's the same myth that's in Islam.

 

[paarsurrey]

The Genesis creation myths are most likely Sumerian in origin, being that they very closely parallel Sumerian creation myth stories.

OP adequately answered. Next topic please.

You're welcome.

May be the source of Egyptians and Sumerians for the story of Adam was another common source.

Anybody who has probed into it? Please.

Regards

 

[outhouse]

May be the source of Egyptians and Sumerians for the story of Adam was another common source.

Anybody who has probed into it? Please.

Regards

Adam in Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Âdam ( Arabic: آدم, translit.: ʾĀdam, Alternate Spelling: Adem ) is believed to have been the first human being and the first prophet and messenger in Islam.[1] Adam's role as the father of the human race is looked upon by Muslims with reverence. Muslims also venerate his wife, Eve, as the "mother of mankind".


Sumerian origins, while they were in exile.

Since it is not a historical event, and looked at as mythology, why your god tell whole world it was real?

Because your prophet plagairaized the whole thing, and no god said anything?

 

[paarsurrey]

Uh, giant flood that killed everyone? One family remaining?

Pretty sure that's the same myth that's in Islam.

We are discussing here Torah and its sources.

Where from Torah copied/plagiarized/adapted the story of Adam and Eve?

Any clue to that; from anybody; any religion or no religions. Please

Regards

 

[outhouse]

We are discussing here Torah and its sources.

We will discuss what we want.

Your only purpose is to spread vitriol and its obvious you do not wish to learn, but be an embassador of hatred and lies.

Your book plagiarized this mythology much more then how Israelites plagiarized the Mesopotamians.


Your complete historical ignorance on these topics is overwheling. The israelites did not Plagiarize the mythology as much as use the historical core and then develop their own theology and mythology surrounding this core. Yor people just lazily plagiarized the mythology almost whole, adding very little compared to what the Israelites did.

This also proves your book was not god inspired just some dude who changed it to meet his own cultural needs.

 

[paarsurrey]

OP is using a double standard.

Applies what he can against the bible, but changes it when it applies to his religion.

Since Mesopotamian influeneces go against his owm books mythology, he posted some garbage to promot his own belief.

Mesopotamian ancient writings or Egyptian ancient writings, if not corrupted, rather support the truthful religion. But that we are not discussing here.
We are discussing here:

Where from Torah copied/plagiarized/adapted the story of Adam and Eve?

Any Jewish people here.

Regards

 

[outhouse]

Mesopotamian ancient writings

We will discuss what we want.

Your only purpose is to spread vitriol and its obvious you do not wish to learn, but be an embassador of hatred and lies.

Your book plagiarized this mythology much more then how Israelites plagiarized the Mesopotamians.


Your complete historical ignorance on these topics is overwheling. The israelites did not Plagiarize the mythology as much as use the historical core and then develop their own theology and mythology surrounding this core. Yor people just lazily plagiarized the mythology almost whole, adding very little compared to what the Israelites did.

This also proves your book was not god inspired just some dude who changed it to meet his own cultural needs.

 

[paarsurrey]

Oh, I see. He's using fallacious arguments by moving the goal posts.

The goal posts are still in the original position.

Regards

 

[outhouse]

The goal posts are still in the original position.

Not honest

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I don't get you exactly. Please elaborate.

How come Noah is the first common ancestor ?

Why not Adam? Please

Regards

Not first common ancestor - last common ancestor.

According to the story, the Ark contained Noah, Noah's wife, their sons, and the sons' wives. The mitochondrial DNA of their descendants would be varied (since it's passed down from the mother, and the women on the Ark all had different mothers)), but the Y chromosomes of the descendants would all be from Noah (since it's passed down from father to son, and Noah and his sons were the only men on the Ark).

If the flood story was true, everyone alive today could trace their male ancestral line back to Noah.

 

[paarsurrey]

Not first common ancestor - last common ancestor.

According to the story, the Ark contained Noah, Noah's wife, their sons, and the sons' wives. The mitochondrial DNA of their descendants would be varied (since it's passed down from the mother, and the women on the Ark all had different mothers)), but the Y chromosomes of the descendants would all be from Noah (since it's passed down from father to son, and Noah and his sons were the only men on the Ark).

If the flood story was true, everyone alive today could trace their male ancestral line back to Noah.

There was no one Adam; there were several Adams in different regions of the world having no contacts with one another due to lack of the means of communications.

Every one of them who among his people was first to receive Converse from G-d was Adam for his people. Converse of God was the epoch making event for an Adam among his people and was the reference point.

Noah's flood was local; not universal.

Regards

 

[Gjallarhorn]

There was no one Adam; there were several Adams in different regions of the world having no contacts with one another due to lack of the means of communications.

Every one of them who among his people was first to receive Converse from G-d was Adam for his people. Converse of God was the epoch making event for an Adam among his people and was the reference point.

Noah's flood was local; not universal.

Regards

Where is this detailed in the Quran or Torah?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

There was no one Adam; there were several Adams in different regions of the world having no contacts with one another due to lack of the means of communications.

Every one of them who among his people was first to receive Converse from G-d was Adam for his people. Converse of God was the epoch making event for an Adam among his people and was the reference point.

Noah's flood was local; not universal.

Regards

Well, I don't believe that there were any Adams or Noahs at all... or gods, for that matter
I was speaking in the context of the story that neither of us agree with, apparently.

Regardless, I think you probably get my point now: if we use the Bible for analogies, the last common male ancestor is "Noah", not "Adam".