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Where is God during disasters?
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jamaesi
To Save A Lamb
"I don't know whether or not God exists, but I don't deny the possibility (on the other hand, I do deny that any God that has any personal interest in us as individuals exists -- you simply have to look around at the horrors of the world to know that that can't be true)."
-Robert J. Sawyer
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Fire Empire
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Yes, and if indeed such an all-powerful God existed, s/he would not be worthy of our love or worship any more than a child should love it's parent who stood by idle as it was tortured and then killed--even if the parent claims "it's for your own good darling".
blueman
God's Warrior
Why didn't you bold the remaining comments I made in that response: "I think we as a society would admit that we have a tendency to get complacent and in many instances, downright arrogant about the way we live and how our lifestyle may be in contrast with what God's will is for our lives. Out of all of this tragedy may come good if people reach a spiritual awakening and recognize the One who has dominion over heaven and earth loves them and wants to direct their lives in a way that they have never experienced before".JerryL said:
Hurricane's and other natural disasters are a part of nature and with this being hurricane season, it should not shock anyone that this occured. The devastation and tragedy it has caused is eye opening, but although God was'nt the cause, He allowed it to happen. I believe my answer in my initial response as to the reasons why He allows such tragedies to occur should not be easily overlooked.
mr.guy
crapsack
blueman said:Hurricane's and other natural disasters are a part of nature and with this being hurricane season, it should not shock anyone that this occured. The devastation and tragedy it has caused is eye opening, but although God was'nt the cause, He allowed it to happen. I believe my answer in my initial response as to the reasons why He allows such tragedies to occur should not be easily overlooked.
"i learned to respect the dieties, but never to rely on them" -Musashi
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We never said that they did. But it seems to us that the Christian god at least wants our love (part of the whole reason for "free will"), as most parents want their childrens love even if they don't "need" it. Our point is that a god (any god) that has the ability to keep humans from suffering and does nothing to help (in the case of Katrina, for instance) should not be bothered with.Darkdale said:
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Good reached through evil means really isn't good at all. Can any future goodness be enough of a reward to humankind for all the horrors that we have been through? How many people do you suppose need to reach a spiritual awakening to justify the millions of crimes against humanity that have occured through out the ages while God sat by and watched? Katrina is just another disaster on a very long list of "things that are not good for people". If you want to say that God has some kind of payment scale where he will reward those of us left standing with love and kindness, we don't think he will have enough goodness currency to cover the price.blueman said:
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What good would such a god be for us? What would we get out of the bargain? More dead people? Even Odin would be wise enough to know that was a bad deal.Darkdale said:
He didn't create a universe with disasters, or believe me, there'd be much, much more.JerryL said:
How many times you want that answered? Your blanket reply Most of them were Christians was a cheap shot based on zero evidence.
And even if it was true, then this verse would apply:
1 Peter 4:17 = FOR THE TIME IS COME THAT JUDGEMENT BUST BEGIN AT THE HOUSE OF GOD: AND IF IT FIRST BEGIN AT US, WHAT SHALL THE END BE OF THEM THAT OBEY NOT THE GOSPEL OF GOD?
[PART QUOTE=JerryL] .............."Is that your claim? God created/allows disaster so that some good can come along with all the bad
The reason God created / allowed Hurricane Katrina is _________
Please fill in the blank.".....................[/PART QUOTE]
Perhaps God 'allows' disasters to bring out the best in others; I don't know if you have noticed, but many people gather around at these times to lend a hand, help, whatever........The worst events make people do good deeds - some may well do things (as in helping) that they would never have thought of before. Personally, I don't believe God creates disasters; man does by his incompetant attitude towards this wonderful planet we were given.
The reason God created / allowed Hurricane Katrina is _________I don't believe God creates disasters; man does by his incompetant attitude towards this wonderful planet we were given. He does not 'allow' or 'stop' disasters, because they are a part of nature.
The reason God created / allowed Hurricane Katrina is _________
Please fill in the blank.".....................[/PART QUOTE]
Perhaps God 'allows' disasters to bring out the best in others; I don't know if you have noticed, but many people gather around at these times to lend a hand, help, whatever........The worst events make people do good deeds - some may well do things (as in helping) that they would never have thought of before. Personally, I don't believe God creates disasters; man does by his incompetant attitude towards this wonderful planet we were given.
The reason God created / allowed Hurricane Katrina is _________I don't believe God creates disasters; man does by his incompetant attitude towards this wonderful planet we were given. He does not 'allow' or 'stop' disasters, because they are a part of nature.
An omniscient and omnipotent God does not 'allow' - he creates/orchestrates. He defines and implements the laws of nature knowing and intending each and every consequence in the most minute detail. Every shattered building slamming into every shattered child is every bit as much a part of his plan' as is yesterday's Big Bang or tomorrow's sunset.michel said:
Deut. 32.8 said:
That is your interpretation/View, Deut, which I respect; it is, however not my understanding of God - and we know that we are at opposite poles on this; I will never persuade you (not that I would even try - what you believe in is your concern, not mine), neither do I expect you to succeed in 'converting' you. I have spent too many years of my life playing your role (that of the skeptic - it really does not suit me; I am far happier with my beliefs than I was without them).
It has nothing to do with interpretation and everything to do with the logical consequences of omniscience and omnipotence.michel said:
Michel, what do you do with these verses?michel said:
Genesis 7:12 = AND THE RAIN WAS UPON THE EARTH FORTY DAYS AND FORTY NIGHTS.
Genesis 19:24 = THEN THE LORD RAINED UPON SODOM AND GOMORRAH BRIMSTONE AND FIRE FROM THE LORD OUT OF HEAVEN;
Jonah 4:8 = AND IT CAME TO PASS, WHEN THE SUN DID ARISE, THAT GOD DID PREPARE A VEHEMENT EAST WIND;
Not to mention the 10 Plagues of Egypt and the events recorded in Revelation.
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