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Where is heaven if not around the Earth?
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strikeviperMKII
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Heaven isn't a physical place.
The Sum of Awe
Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
I always had the idea of it being in another dimension, other times I think of it being in this same place, but just another world overlapping this one, and only the dead could see it.
But I'm not a believer in it at all, just a thought.
But I'm not a believer in it at all, just a thought.
The Sum of Awe
Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
A parallel dimension that's ethereal rather than corporeal. 
idea
Question Everything
To the extent that we can experience joy / happiness / peace within our own lives - heaven can be right here, right now. We have a little children's song "Home can be a heaven on Earth..." and there is truth in this - where there is love and friendship, there is heaven.
We believe that when we die, after another period of learning and judging (everyone gaining the same opportunity to learn everything) that there will be 3 final kingdoms -
(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 15:41)
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
for us, the highest heaven is not about gold streets or mansions - it's about being together forever with the people you love - and we do not have to wait until after we die to be together with those we love - we can get married, and have great big happy families in the here and now
gnostic
The Lost One
The ancient Hebrews were no different from other civilisations and cultures of their time.
There are many references in the bible to the heaven in the sky, or that the home of the god is on the mountain top.
In Genesis 11, about the episode of the Tower of Babel, the people wanted to built a tower in their new city, which would reach to the heaven (sky). And then:
Came "down" from where? It certainly suggest that the Lord came down from the sky, literally.
And Moses went up Mount Horeb (or Mount Sinai), several times, to meet with God, once with the burning bush (Exodus 3) and then again (Exodus 19) when he got the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20), when the Israelites had their camp at the foot of the mountain.
When Elijah was taken away, he went upwards, a literal ascension:
The same happen in the gospels, in the Transfiguration episode. Jesus took Peter, James and John to the "high mountain", where they encountered Moses and Elijah. Then they heard God's voice from the cloud:
And when Jesus ascended, it was upward towards the sky:
The Egyptians, Babylonians, Canaanites, Greeks, etc were the same. That heaven was in the sky or on the mountain top.
For the Egyptians, the pyramids were built for dead king to be resurrected and ascend, with the pyramid acting like stairway to heaven. This will allow the king to board the boat of the sun god, Re (or Ra), and become part of the crew, to sail across the sky.
The Canaanite gods, like El and Baal have their mansions built on top of the mountains.
In the Babylonian epic of Etana, Etana, the king of Kish, flew up into the sky, mounted on the eagle, to reach the home of the gods, where he will find the plant of birth from the goddess Ishtar (Sumerian Inana). Inana's name means "Queen of Heaven". Her name derived from her father, who was either An (or Babylonian Anu, which means "Heaven") or Nanna god of the moon.
There are many references in the bible to the heaven in the sky, or that the home of the god is on the mountain top.
In Genesis 11, about the episode of the Tower of Babel, the people wanted to built a tower in their new city, which would reach to the heaven (sky). And then:
Genesis 11:5 said:
Came "down" from where? It certainly suggest that the Lord came down from the sky, literally.
And Moses went up Mount Horeb (or Mount Sinai), several times, to meet with God, once with the burning bush (Exodus 3) and then again (Exodus 19) when he got the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20), when the Israelites had their camp at the foot of the mountain.
Exodus 3:1 said:
When Elijah was taken away, he went upwards, a literal ascension:
2 Kings 2:11 said:
The same happen in the gospels, in the Transfiguration episode. Jesus took Peter, James and John to the "high mountain", where they encountered Moses and Elijah. Then they heard God's voice from the cloud:
Matthew 17:5 said:
Mark 9:7 said:
Luke 9:34-35 said:
And when Jesus ascended, it was upward towards the sky:
Acts 1:9-11 said:
The Egyptians, Babylonians, Canaanites, Greeks, etc were the same. That heaven was in the sky or on the mountain top.
For the Egyptians, the pyramids were built for dead king to be resurrected and ascend, with the pyramid acting like stairway to heaven. This will allow the king to board the boat of the sun god, Re (or Ra), and become part of the crew, to sail across the sky.
The Canaanite gods, like El and Baal have their mansions built on top of the mountains.
In the Babylonian epic of Etana, Etana, the king of Kish, flew up into the sky, mounted on the eagle, to reach the home of the gods, where he will find the plant of birth from the goddess Ishtar (Sumerian Inana). Inana's name means "Queen of Heaven". Her name derived from her father, who was either An (or Babylonian Anu, which means "Heaven") or Nanna god of the moon.
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strikeviperMKII
Well-Known Member
Where implies a physical place, which I have said heaven is not.
Well we are physical and live in a physical universe. But where are we? Somewhere that we named? Does the land divided by lines on a map know where it is?
outhouse
Atheistically
it is a concept, not a place.
there are no desriptions of such a place because no one has ever gone there.
its just like the possibility that when you die you will get some virgins to have your way with.
its a concept born of mythology
Where is (objective) evidence that we are physical?
(Hint: Reference imagination)
Heaven is within. Heaven is now here.
May as well ask, 'where is here?'
Where are you? Tell me and I'll come and pull some of yer teeth out without Novocaine, OK? Then We'll see if yer physical.
No screaming allowed.:no:
Nadia Faiazova
Member
Hi! In many texts, the heavens stand for God himself and his sovereign position. His throne is in the heavens, that is, in the spirit realm over which he also rules. -Psalm 103:19.
The spiritual heavens are also the proper dwelling place of Gods spirit sons. (Jude 6; Ge 28:12,*13; Mt 18:10; 24:36)
The spiritual heavens are also the proper dwelling place of Gods spirit sons. (Jude 6; Ge 28:12,*13; Mt 18:10; 24:36)
Both mind and thought are in the brain.
Specific thought, like me thinking about car, physicaly exists as collection of certain neurons in certain chemical states. In the same time other group o neurons would contain thought about something else.
If you remove brain you remove thoughts because you can't think with heart, or leg or some other part of the body.