Where is it written "The Person of Satan"?

[savagewind]

On the earth, most people learn about satan. Few people learn about God imo. For those who learn about God and the place that God has prepared for them, there might be some worrying for satan. Will satan ever take over Heaven like satan has taken over the earth? (Not in power). Knowing that satan has been removed from Heaven is confidence that he can't be there and can't go there. Eviction is forever. How's that?

 

[jeager106]

SATAN....When not believing in the myth,
then one must find a subsitute opposition.
Why would this God hurl satan to earth ?
What would be gained by this action ?
Who in heaven would fear him, other than God ?
What could really be in opposition to this God ?
Only the words of men,
and it's followers are the opposition.
Only man and the followers of mankind,
we are the opposition !
We don't need the myth !
~
'mud

If you really want to find answers to your suppositions then I suggest you do some
study on Christianity.
I promise your opinions won't be affected one bit, nor will you all of a sudden have
some kind of revelation, but it will help you to not post such basic questions that define
your lack of knowledge.

 

[Ingledsva]

Revelation 12:9
9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.
2 Corinthians 11:14
14 And no wonder, for Satan himself keeps disguising himself as an angel of light.
2 Corinthians 2:11
11 so that we may not be overreached by Satan, for we are not ignorant of his designs.

James 4:7
7 Therefore, subject yourselves to God; but oppose the Devil, and he will flee from you.


Matthew 4:10
Be gone Satan! For it is written,
“ ‘You shall worship the Lord your God
and him only shall you serve.’ ”

Those are just later made up ideas by misunderstanding Christians.

There is no evil autonomous Satan in Tanakh.

Instead he is a servant of YHVH doing his job of testing people, and if they are found wanting - he brought them before God to accuse them.

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[savagewind]

If you really want to find answers to your suppositions then I suggest you do some
study on Christianity.
I promise your opinions won't be affected one bit, nor will you all of a sudden have
some kind of revelation, but it will help you to not post such basic questions that define
your lack of knowledge.

I don't think so. I find most unbelieving thinkers have a much better grasp of what is true than believers do.
His questions show rare insight imho.

 

[jeager106]

Those are just later made up ideas by misunderstanding Christians.

There is no evil autonomous Satan in Tanakh.

Instead he is a servant of YHVH doing his job of testing people, and if they are found wanting - he brought them before God to accuse them.

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Wow. That is quite an assumption. It's a reflection of your opinion.
Can you supply any citation to back up this personal claim?
By the way:
The Book of Job grapples with the difficult question of why God allows evil in the world. It is the only book in the Hebrew Bible that mentions "satan" as a sentient being.

 

[Ingledsva]

Wow. That is quite an assumption. It's a reflection of your opinion.
Can you supply any citation to back up this personal claim?
By the way:
The Book of Job grapples with the difficult question of why God allows evil in the world. It is the only book in the Hebrew Bible that mentions "satan" as a sentient being.

We have discussed these verses multiple times.

There is no evil autonomous Satan in Tanakh.

In the story of Job it is YHVH that points Job out and sets Satan to his job of testing.

There is no Satan in Isaiah 14 - no Lucifer, - that is about a King of Babylon whom climbed to the heights - and then is thrown down.

EDIT - Thought I should add, -

Zac 3:1 And he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to accuse him.


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[Awoon]

Satan is Christianity's/Paul's favorite Prosecutor.

 

[te_lanus]

Knowing the Christian Bible better might have shown you that in the time of Job
Satan could indeed travel between the earth and heaven at will.
Satan has since been "cast down" and cannot enter the heavenly realm any longer.

The bible never tells us when satan was "cast down". Xtian dogma tries.
There are two thoughts about it, one state that satan "fell/cast down" before the "fall of man", to quote a book about it:

It is certain that Satan had fallen before Genesis 3 where the temptation of Adam and Eve is recorded. He fell before man fell; but whether he fell before or after man’s creation, we cannot say for certain. (ANGELS ELECT AND EVIL, by C. Fred Dickason, p. 135)

The other one states that satan was only thrown out later. But when differs from church to church, based on their theology and biblical interpretation.

 

[`mud]

Ahhhhh....the words of man, about the fallen angels.
This God didn't write any words about these entities.
Why did God create these doers of doom,
why didn't He use his omnipotence to destroy them ?
Why caste them to Earth, why not Mars ?
Ahhhhh....the words of fallen men, and their followers.
~
'mud

 

[`mud]

hey Jeager,
I've forgotten more than you will ever know.
Just keep following the words of the other followers.
One can suddenly become their own satans.
And into the pits you will go with them.
Say your prayers, you will need them.
~
'mud

 

[moorea944]

Who is Satan's father?

That's an easy question to answer. No one. What or who is Satan in scripture? Satan is a untranslated Hebrew word that means, adversary. The translators have put a cap "S" on it, making that word into a person. Some bibles dont even have the word "satan" in it, because they know it's real meaning, "adversary". But you know what's really funny? Every year, the story gets even better and better!! People dont realize that we are reading English that have been translated from Hebrew and Greek. There are errors in our bibles, not by God, but by the translators. Lucifer is another. A Latin word in a Hebrew bible? See? Most people dont get that.

 

[Desert Snake]

Those are just later made up ideas by misunderstanding Christians.

There is no evil autonomous Satan in Tanakh.

Instead he is a servant of YHVH doing his job of testing people, and if they are found wanting - he brought them before God to accuse them.

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That's just creepy. A deity testing His own creation? Does that really make sense to you?

 

[Ingledsva]

That's just creepy. A deity testing His own creation? Does that really make sense to you?

That is what is taught, - and - that is also Satan's job in his first appearance in the Christian Bible. He tests Jesus to make sure he is ready for his mission.

I might add, sending out a servant/adversary, to test people, and bring them for judgment, makes a lot more sense then an autonomous evil entity - trying to make people evil for evil's sake. Which makes it appear the God has no control, and is inferior to one of his creation.

The facts are - that this is metaphoric, - when things are going well, the adversary puts in stumbling block,s to test and see if you will stay on the straight-and-narrow.

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[moorea944]

That's just creepy. A deity testing His own creation? Does that really make sense to you?

Lol How true. Paul tells us twice that ALL angels do God's will. Hebrews 2 tells us that the Devil has been killed. But what is the Devil in chapter 2? That "slanderer" or "false accuser" is sin. The translators but cap "S" and "D" on those words making them into people. They are not. It gets even worse with TV and movies now.

People blame a Devil for their sins and the way the world is. Jesus says all bad things a man does comes from his heart. Plus, Romans 8 tells us God made the world like this to we can "hope" of something better. IT's so sad what the human mind can think up when you dont really study scripture. We need to look up words in their org. language. Just like "soul" and "spirit". People believe in an "immortal soul", but, that is nowhere in scripture. Yet the world believes in it. Oh well.... Good post though. Thanks

Plus, before I forget.... Is God NOT in control of His creation? That His angels are leaving heaven and doing their own thing? I dont think so... Paul says ALL angels do God's will.