WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT IS ABOLISHED?

[2ndpillar]

What is this supposed to mean? What is it you are assuming about me? Why you referencing Jesus saying about how it's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God, in regards to me personally? Where are you coming from in this?

In regards to me personally, I relate more to this teaching, "take my yoke upon you.... for my yoke is easy and my burden light". This is a wonderful contrast about Grace, as opposed to the system of law that was, and is to this day, for Christians who pick it up trying to fulfill the law through strict and festiduous legalistic observances as their way into heaven. The yoke of Grace is liberty and freedom from the burden of law.

The "eye of the needle" refers to entering into the kingdom of heaven, in which one must be "more righteous" than the Pharisees, and not only must one not commit adultery, but they must not even look at a woman with lust (Matthew 5:19-29), and that is better that you cut out your eye than let cause you to stumble. The one who "keeps" and "teaches" the law shall be called "great in the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 5:19).
As for "my yoke is easy" (Matthew 11:30), that refers to those who "repent", which is to say turn away from sin, which is transgression of the law. (Matthew 11:21). As for your false gospel of "grace", per the false prophet Paul, well, he is dead and buried, and "everyone" will follow him (Jeremiah 31:30), because of their own "iniquity". Those of the "darkness" go to the darkness, and Paul's message, is the tare seed, the gospel of lawlessness (Matthew 13:39-41).

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

• Romans 6:23 The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Chris our Lord.

• Hebrews 10:26-31 26, For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, 27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28, He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29, Of how much sorer punishment, suppose you, shall he be thought worthy, who has trodden under foot the Son of God, and has counted the blood of the covenant, with which he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and has done despite to the Spirit of grace? 30, For we know him that has said, Vengeance belongs to me, I will recompense, said the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31, It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Just what do you suppose it will accomplish to quote scripture at an atheist? Scripture, every word, was written by humans -- living, breathing human beings, with all the good and bad, successes and failures, hubris and imagination as other human beings. See what I mean by "silly?"

 

[2ndpillar]

Wrong. You love God, by finding that love that is in your own heart and living it. Then, if you do that, you will naturally follow what is God's will, as a result of being filled by God's Love. "Love works no ill".You don't need to try to do anything. You just naturally will, because you love. It's that simple.

Simply following the motions, simply "obeying the law" is not the measure of Grace in your life. That's just legalism. You can be clean and shining whitewashed tomb, all perfect on the outside, yet inside your heart is full of rot. This is what Jesus taught.

Do you understand the difference here? Simply going through the motions, is not the same thing as a heart that actually loves God. You're referring to a negotiation. "I've done everything you've told me to do, proving that I love you, so now I get my promised reward". That is not love. That is self-seeking. Genuine love does not seek for itself.

Bonus Question: If Jesus said to you, "When you die, you die. This life is all you get. There is no heavenly abode for you as the price for your obedience to God here in this life". Would you still follow him? Would you still "love God"? Would you even be a Christian anymore? Yes or no? If so, why would you?

I would love for your honest answer to this question. I would love for any Christian in this thread to answer that for themselves as well. I would love to discuss that with them.

The problem is that one must be "born of God", and anyone who is born of God does not sin (1 John 3:9), but the sinner, those who "practice sin" are "of the devil" (1 John 3:8). And there is no "heavenly abode" for men. The "kingdom of God" is here on earth, ruled from Jerusalem by the "king" (Zechariah 14:16), with the "king" ruling over the survivors of the "nations"/Gentiles, who must come to Jerusalem once a year, on the feast of Booths, to "worship the king". By the way the surviving Gentiles are ruled by "rod of iron" (Revelation 19:15). This happens after Har-Magedon (great tribulation (Matthew 24:29), and after Judah and Ephraim are recombined under the leadership of king David, on the land given to Jacob (Ezekiel 37:15-28). You appear to be well indoctrinated into the false gospel of grace/lawlessness, the tare seed (Matthew 13), espoused by the false prophet Paul, but its wide path only leads to "destruction" (Matthew 7:13-15).

 

[2ndpillar]

Yes, they are not burdensome, as the first verse I quote in this. Why are they not burdensome? Because you are not doing them out of your own effort in order to "please God" to earn his favor. The answer to unlock this puzzle is found right here in this passage:

The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
If you do not have love in your heart, then your actions are being forced out of a desire for selfish gain, and you will not be able to fulfil the law. So worshipping on the "right day of the week", avails you nothing.

Keeping the "Sabbath" is a sign between God and his people. Keeping the day of the sun, is a sign between Constantine (Revelation 13:11), the 7th head of the beast, with his people. After Har-Magedon, the nations will keep the high holy sabbath of the feast of Booths, or no rain shall fall upon their land (Zechariah 14:16-17). The 7th day is a sign for the upcoming 7th millennium, in which those who worshipped the "beast" will remain in their graves (Revelation 20:4). The "mark" on you head is not a good one. (Revelation 13:16-18)

New King James Version Ezekiel 20:12
Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the LORD who sanctifies them.

 

[2ndpillar]

Why would either need a creator?

Why does the idea of being an ape bother you so much? If you understood the massive evidence supporting evolution then you would realize that you have two choices. Either man is a product of evolution, or God is a liar. When I was a Christian I did not believe that God was a liar so I accepted evolution.

Apparently, you will de-evolve by being eaten by worms who have basically the same DNA as yourself. As for the theory of "evolution", it is a theory, which is to say, it is not a fact. All theories fall short, and day by day de-evolve. The latest theory to fall is the big bang theory, in which the new Webb photos question the whole process. Archeology changes almost daily the way the "experts" view history. Your foundation is one of sand, as well as the foundation of your previous "Christian" religion (Matthew 7:26), as pointed out by Yeshua.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Apparently, you will de-evolve by being eaten by worms who have basically the same DNA as yourself. As for the theory of "evolution", it is a theory, which is to say, it is not a fact. All theories fall short, and day by day de-evolve. The latest theory to fall is the big bang theory, in which the new Webb photos question the whole process. Archeology changes almost daily the way the "experts" view history. Your foundation is one of sand, as well as the foundation of your previous "Christian" religion (Matthew 7:26), as pointed out by Yeshua.

That is not "de-evolve"ing. And true, just as the theory of gravity explains the fact of gravity, the theory of evolution explains the fact of evolution.

Why do facts bother you?

And what makes you think that the Big Bang theory has failed?

 

[Windwalker]

The "eye of the needle" refers to entering into the kingdom of heaven, in which one must be "more righteous" than the Pharisees,

By this, you mean even more legalistic. I see. By works you are saved. Got it.

and not only must one not commit adultery, but they must not even look at a woman with lust (Matthew 5:19-29), and that is better that you cut out your eye than let cause you to stumble.

My lord! How are you typing on the computer if you have taken this to heart and obeyed this literally? You only have two eyes! Surely, you've sinned more than that with your heart, haven't you? How can you even see to type?

As for "my yoke is easy" (Matthew 11:30), that refers to those who "repent", which is to say turn away from sin, which is transgression of the law.

And then they must follow the letter of the law strictly, according to you, which you see as the easy yoke, correct?

As for your false gospel of "grace", per the false prophet Paul, well, he is dead and buried, and "everyone" will follow him (Jeremiah 31:30), because of their own "iniquity". Those of the "darkness" go to the darkness, and Paul's message, is the tare seed, the gospel of lawlessness (Matthew 13:39-41).

Wow. So you have taken all of Paul's writings and cut them out of whatever Bible is it you thump others over the head with?

Personally, I find Paul echoing Jesus' teachings in these areas. But I suppose Jesus is a false prophet too, since he disagrees with your Old Testament as the New Testament theology? At this point, it wouldn't surprise me.

I can understand why Grace seems such a blasphemous mystery to you. You've likely never experienced it.

 

[icehorse]

The Holy Spirit has helped me.

Well the Flying Spaghetti Monster has helped me

And since we're in a debate forum, I think it would be more appropriate if we both stopped making unfalsifiable claims

 

[Apostle John]

Well the Flying Spaghetti Monster has helped me

And since we're in a debate forum, I think it would be more appropriate if we both stopped making unfalsifiable claims

I’m inclined to believe you. Good luck with your stand.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well the Flying Spaghetti Monster has helped me

And since we're in a debate forum, I think it would be more appropriate if we both stopped making unfalsifiable claims

Ramen!

 

[icehorse]

I’m inclined to believe you. Good luck with your stand.

Since we're having this conversation in a debate forum, I'm NOT inclined to agree with any unfalsifiable claims, such as "the holy spirit told me so". That kind of claim is a debate ender

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Hey guys

Just wondering where is the scripture that says Gods 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus?

May God bless you as you seek to know Him through His Word.

Wehre does it say that ANY of the commandments are abolished? And yet you probably eat pork and shellfish.

 

[2ndpillar]

By this, you mean even more legalistic. I see. By works you are saved. Got it.


My lord! How are you typing on the computer if you have taken this to heart and obeyed this literally? You only have two eyes! Surely, you've sinned more than that with your heart, haven't you? How can you even see to type?


And then they must follow the letter of the law strictly, according to you, which you see as the easy yoke, correct?


Wow. So you have taken all of Paul's writings and cut them out of whatever Bible is it you thump others over the head with?

Personally, I find Paul echoing Jesus' teachings in these areas. But I suppose Jesus is a false prophet too, since he disagrees with your Old Testament as the New Testament theology? At this point, it wouldn't surprise me.

I can understand why Grace seems such a blasphemous mystery to you. You've likely never experienced it.

I just quoted what Yeshua said. Apparently, heeding his message (Matthew 7:22-27) is not enough for yourself, and you seem to need the false "apostle" (Revelation 2:2), Paul, to support your point of view. It is the main "false prophet" of Matthew 7:15, Paul, who Yeshua will say to, that on "that day", you will cry "Lord, Lord" and prophecy in my name, and cast out demons and perform miracles, and I will say "I never knew you". What happens to Paul's followers at that time? Paul's writings, the message of the "enemy", were planted in the same field/NT as were the "message of the son of man" (Matthew 13:24-25 & 37) and will remain until the "end of the age" (Matthew 13:30), when the tares (lawless) will be the "first" to be "gathered" and "thrown into the furnace of fire" (Matthew 13:30). I don't know, but it seems it is safer to be among the "few" than the "many" (Matthew 7:13) that follow the wide path to "destruction".
As for plucking out one's eye, it would have been better for that person than to have one's whole body thrown into hell (Matthew 5:30). As for understanding the "kingdom of heaven", that is for those with eyes to see and ears to hear (Matthew 13:11-14) and is withheld from the wicked (Daniel 12:10).

 

[Windwalker]

I just quoted what Yeshua said. Apparently, heeding his message (Matthew 7:22-27) is not enough for yourself, and you seem to need the false "apostle" (Revelation 2:2), Paul, to support your point of view. It is the main "false prophet" of Matthew 7:15, Paul, who Yeshua will say to, that on "that day", you will cry "Lord, Lord" and prophecy in my name, and cast out demons and perform miracles, and I will say "I never knew you". What happens to Paul's followers at that time? Paul's writings, the message of the "enemy", were planted in the same field/NT as were the "message of the son of man" (Matthew 13:24-25 & 37) and will remain until the "end of the age" (Matthew 13:30), when the tares (lawless) will be the "first" to be "gathered" and "thrown into the furnace of fire" (Matthew 13:30). I don't know, but it seems it is safer to be among the "few" than the "many" (Matthew 7:13) that follow the wide path to "destruction".
As for plucking out one's eye, it would have been better for that person than to have one's whole body thrown into hell (Matthew 5:30). As for understanding the "kingdom of heaven", that is for those with eyes to see and ears to hear (Matthew 13:11-14) and is withheld from the wicked (Daniel 12:10).

Funny, every verse you quote, I read entirely differently than you do. I guess it has to do with having experienced what love is in my life that makes the difference for me.

 

[2ndpillar]

That is not "de-evolve"ing. And true, just as the theory of gravity explains the fact of gravity, the theory of evolution explains the fact of evolution.

Why do facts bother you?

And what makes you think that the Big Bang theory has failed?

That is not "de-evolve"ing. And true, just as the theory of gravity explains the fact of gravity, the theory of evolution explains the fact of evolution.

Why do facts bother you?

And what makes you think that the Big Bang theory has failed?

There are two basic theories of gravity, one from Newton and one from Bohr, and they do not coincide, and the latest space photos seem to show that both are not apparently correct. There is no theory which correctly incorporates everything, inclusive of time and gravity. Before the latest information, the testing results were plus or minus a billion years, not exactly a point in time. You seem to conflate theories with fact. Like Newton, I try to use Scripture when trying to solve scientific and engineering problems. Practical engineers use Newtonian mechanics as their starting point, and yet know that it only works at low to moderate speeds. But as Newton was a student of the Scriptures, his are the most pragmatic solutions.

 

[2ndpillar]

Funny, every verse you quote, I read entirely differently than you do. I guess it has to do with having experienced what love is in my life that makes the difference for me.

Epstein and his friends, Clinton and Gates, also seemed to be into loving their neighbors, but their "woke" positions of following their emotions, seemed to be based around the love coming from their twisted hearts. If you had read Daniel 12:10, then you would know that the "wicked" will not understand, and according to Malachi 3:18, cannot even perceive the difference between righteousness and wickedness. By comparing Matthew 13:41 with Matthew 13:49, the "wicked" are those "who commit lawlessness" and will be gathered and thrown into the furnace of fire. Now as for the "wicked", those who commit lawlessness, and follow the false gospel of grace, I can clearly understand your position of not understanding what was taught by Yeshua versus what was taught by the "false prophet" of Revelation 20:10. I suspect the "great tribulation" is around the bend, and with that, the ensuing coming of the "son of man", so time may be too short for you to get things straight. Maybe to become "complete", you might want to consider keeping the Commandments, and selling all you have, and giving it to the poor, and "follow me" (Matthew 19:14-21), or is the needle too small, or the camel/car too big.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There are two basic theories of gravity, one from Newton and one from Bohr, and they do not coincide, and the latest space photos seem to show that both are not apparently correct. There is no theory which correctly incorporates everything, inclusive of time and gravity. Before the latest information, the testing results were plus or minus a billion years, not exactly a point in time. You seem to conflate theories with fact. Like Newton, I try to use Scripture when trying to solve scientific and engineering problems. Practical engineers use Newtonian mechanics as their starting point, and yet know that it only works at low to moderate speeds. But as Newton was a student of the Scriptures, his are the most pragmatic solutions.

Bohr is not known for a gravitational model. You might be confused a bit by some of the terminology for his atomic model, which has long been superseded. Newton's gravity was corrected bu Einstein, That is the current model.

But that really has little to do with the Big Bang an event that we still know occurred. These new photos may show ancient galaxies. We are not sure yet. The images only consist of single pixels.

 

[Windwalker]

Epstein and his friends, Clinton and Gates, also seemed to be into loving their neighbors, but their "woke" positions of following their emotions, seemed to be based around the love coming from their twisted hearts. If you had read Daniel 12:10, then you would know that the "wicked" will not understand, and according to Malachi 3:18, cannot even perceive the difference between righteousness and wickedness. By comparing Matthew 13:41 with Matthew 13:49, the "wicked" are those "who commit lawlessness" and will be gathered and thrown into the furnace of fire. Now as for the "wicked", those who commit lawlessness, and follow the false gospel of grace, I can clearly understand your position of not understanding what was taught by Yeshua versus what was taught by the "false prophet" of Revelation 20:10. I suspect the "great tribulation" is around the bend, and with that, the ensuing coming of the "son of man", so time may be too short for you to get things straight. Maybe to become "complete", you might want to consider keeping the Commandments, and selling all you have, and giving it to the poor, and "follow me" (Matthew 19:14-21), or is the needle too small, or the camel/car too big.

You don't understand the first thing about what I believe. You are busy fighting demons that you conconct from your own overly-active imagination. You may as well just be talking to a mirror. You're not talking with anyone but yourself.

 

[RestlessSoul]

That is not "de-evolve"ing. And true, just as the theory of gravity explains the fact of gravity, the theory of evolution explains the fact of evolution.

Why do facts bother you?

And what makes you think that the Big Bang theory has failed?

Which theory of gravity, Newton's? Or Einstein's? Both are mathematical models, and therefore abstractions. Besides accurately predicting the effect of attraction between objects, what facts about gravity do these theories explain? If Newton's theory was eventually displaced by Einstein's, isn't it inevitable that Einstein's will also one day be displaced? As Ptolemeus' astronomical model was displaced by Copernicus'?

AS for the Big Bang theory, I doubt any astronomer would insist that it is either complete or confirmed. It's the standard model of cosmology, the paradigm within which astronomers and cosmologists currently work, but it is certainly not a model constructed from incontravertible fact. Seen through the lens of Thomas Kuhn's model of scientific methodology, there are reasons to believe it may be a paradigm approaching crisis. Certainly the hypothetical period of rapid expansion looks rather ad-hoc, and is the cause of some disquiet. Nor can it ever be confirmed empirically, as it is postulated to have occurred before the release of CMBR, when the universe was still opaque. Similar doubts exist about dark matter and dark energy, but there is at least the prospect that a dark matter particle may someday be observed.

 

[3rdAngel]

OK... I disagree completely in as much as you are saying something that doesn't negate my position. Romans 14 is about that which is not of faith is sin; Colossians commands us not to judge people on the 4th Commandment; Hebrews talks about the eternal rest of the 7th day; and, as you noted, there is no 8th day for those who are in Christ. So with this I conclude with the eternal truth of "Please feel free to worship God on the Sabbath" - I choose to make every day a Sabbath as unto the Lord as I see it fulfilled in Christ of which I am of His body.
Take care, I love you in the love of the Lord, let's go spread the Gospel.

All my posts and scriptures shared with you Kenny negate your position. You however close your eyes and ears to Gods Word. No one is sharing the gospel by teaching others not to believe and obey Gods Word (see 1 John 2:3-4; Matthew 7:21-23). Breaking anyone of Gods 10 commandments according to James is sin in James 2:10-11 and if we knowingly continue in unrepentant sin we will be in danger of the judgement to come according to Hebrews 10:26-31. We are best off to believe and obey what the scriptures teach Kenny *Romans 3:4. Doing anything less can lead us into unbelief and sin.

Take Care