Your referral to Col 2 and Romans 14 is a referral to the "tare" seed (false gospel of grace) planted by the "enemy"/"devil) among the wheat seed, the message of the "son of man", in the same "field"/NT (Matthew 13:24-42). Just look to Romans 7:18-25 as to regards of the character of that actor, and the demons which power his "little" (Paul) motor. And there is an 8th day, with regard to Leviticus 23:39, which follows the feast of Booths, which all Gentiles will be required to keep during the millennium (Zechariah 14:16-17), and the 8th day would represent the white throne judgment, whereas the righteous live, and those not written in the book of life, face the lake of fire, and receive their rest from the turmoil of their despair for eternity.
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WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT IS ABOLISHED?
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Your referral to Col 2 and Romans 14 is a referral to the "tare" seed (false gospel of grace) planted by the "enemy"/"devil) among the wheat seed, the message of the "son of man", in the same "field"/NT (Matthew 13:24-42). Just look to Romans 7:18-25 as to regards of the character of that actor, and the demons which power his "little" (Paul) motor. And there is an 8th day, with regard to Leviticus 23:39, which follows the feast of Booths, which all Gentiles will be required to keep during the millennium (Zechariah 14:16-17), and the 8th day would represent the white throne judgment, whereas the righteous live, and those not written in the book of life, face the lake of fire, and receive their rest from the turmoil of their despair for eternity.
Yeshua was referring to Deuteronomy 19:15, with respect to confirming any matter. As for "fear God", that is the second requirement apart from keeping the Commandments. (Ecclesiastes 12:13) The fear of 1 John 4:18 is not directed as a "fear of God". 1 John 4:18 starts with 1 John 4:15, in which one must believe that "Jesus" is the son of God, whereas the Gentile church, the church of Paul, believes that "Jesus" is God in the form of the Trinity, which is to say, having "other gods before me". 1 John 4:18 also refers to "punishment", which is a coming according to Yeshua, and it is coming for the "wicked", "those who commit lawlessness" (Matthew 13). According to Matthew 24:15-26, one must be prepared so as to not go back for one's coat, and that if God himself did not cut the tribulation (furnace of fire) short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the "elect" he will cut it short. God hasn't rejected anyone, he only asks that the "wicked" turn to "righteousness", so that they might live. (Ezekiel 18:26). There is a window of opportunity which has a limit.
Isaiah 55:6-13 Turn to the LORD before it's too late. Call out to him while he's still ready to help you.
New American Standard Bible Matthew 18:16
But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that ON THE TESTIMONY OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY MATTER MAY BE CONFIRMED.
Yes, I just bought a 2020 Colt Python 6''. Replaced an old one whose timing got out of whack. I use it for hunting, together with my old rifle. Why you asking?No.
You have a 357 magnum revolver?
I don't even want to know where you live.
I live in Switzerland, where almost every household has an automatic assault rifle anyway, because of State requirement, and in Sweden, where I go to hunt moose, when allowed.
I love moose steak and I also sale the meat to local restaurants.
So, what do you think? is killing a kid with my gun as bad as helping my husband with some work over the weekend? if not, why not?
Ciao
- viole
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John 13:34-35 was directed at the apostles to love one another as he was leaving, and it didn't mention the LAW being replaced, and as an addition, he noted that Peter would deny him (Zechariah 13:7) 3 times, in fulfillment of the "prophets" (Matthew 5:17). What did Yeshua say about those who "deny" him?
Everyone loves me. So, no big deal.Yea not for me. Jesus loves you too viole. I like all people including you
OK. I was not sure whether Christianity entails that working on Saturdays, and blowing kids' brains out were morally equivalent, but now I know that it is indeed the case. I actually suspected it, if Christianity claims to be logically consistent.
And this for the simple reason that there is no rating, nor severity level for any of the 10 commandments: the quintessence of Christian morality.
No more objections.
Ciao
- viole
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Yes: the chapter contradicts itself:
- On the one hand, it says that the commandments are the same as before.
- On the other hand, it lists the commandments, and it's obvious from reading them that they aren't the same.
3rdAngel
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If that is true you would be able to provide scripture showing that Sunday is the Lords day. Can you show me the scripture please @pearl stating that Sunday is the Lords day? There is no scripture in the entire bible that says Sunday is the Lords day. That idea is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God just like there is no scripture in all the bible that says Gods 4th commandment of the 10 commandments has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus. The problem here is if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God according to Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9.
3rdAngel
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Your response here..
Actually it doesn't the context quoted you shows it is your understanding of the chapter that is the problem not the chapter. The rest of the chapter is God talking to Moses to write things down in his book (not the tables of stone). There is also the Mosaic book of the covenant and law besides the 10 commandments written by God on the two tables of stone.
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Right.
3rdAngel
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I stated that they penalty of sin is the same for all those who continue in it (eternal death). The thing is though we have all sinned, we are already all sinners, under the death penalty but God loved us so much that he came to die the penalty for our sins so that we do not have to die for our own sins and receive Gods forgiveness of sins as a free gift of Gods grace and love simply by asking Jesus for forgiveness and receive eternal life simply by believing and following Gods Word. This is Gods free gift to you too @viole. All you need to do to receive it is to hold out your hands of faith to receive it.
Take Care.
3rdAngel
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I did not presume anything.
No you didn't. Where is the scripture that says Gods 4th commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest? There is none and you have not provided any.
According to the scriptures we as Christians are to judge righteous judgement (John 7:24). This means we are to judge rightly according to what the scriptures say. I do not judge you it is the Words of God you claim to believe that judge you because you do not believe and follow them. According to Jesus it is the Words of God that we claim to believe and not believe that will be our judge come judgement day. *see John 12:47-48. According to the scriptures all those who continue in known unrepentant sin will be in danger of judgement because they did not believe and follow what Gods Word says (see Matthew 7:21-23; Hebrews 10:26-27). It is not judging others to point out what the scriptures say. It is our duty of love to our fellow man and God because if our fellow man continues in known unrepentant sin they will be lost and die in their sins (see Ezekiel 3:18-21).
If you continue twisting the scriptures Kenny in order to justify your sins you will be lost in your sins. There is no where in Colossians 2 or Romans 14 that says Gods 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus. This idea is a man-made teaching and tradition that is not supported in the scriptures that has led many away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God against the very warnings of Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9.
Jesus says if you love me keep my commandments and you will abide in His love as he kept the fathers commandments (John 14:15; John 15:10) but you do not do you Kenny.
Then if they are teaching you to break Gods commandments and to not believe and follow Gods Words and follow man-made teachings and traditions you need to run away from it as fast as you can and return to the Word of God and seek to know Jesus for yourself. (see 1 John 2:3-4).
Take Care.
3rdAngel
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3rdAngel said: ↑Trouble is according to the scriptures no one can call themselves Gods people or Christians if they do not believe and follow (obey) what Gods Word says and according to the scriptures Gods people are those who believe and obey what the scriptures teach. They are not those who do not believe and obey what the scriptures teach. That is called sin in the bible and all those who practice known unrepentant sin do not enter into Gods kingdom (see Matthew 7:21-23; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:4; James 2:10-11; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12 and Revelation 22:14) see also Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31 and compare it to Hebrews 10:26-31. According to the scriptures and the very words of Jesus all those who follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us away from the scriptures to break the commandments of God are not worshiping God in Matthew 15:3-9. According to the scriptures, no one worships God by not believing an following (obeying) what Gods Word says. This is called sin in the bible *Romans 14:23; 1 John 3:4 and no one who practices known unrepentant sin will enter into the kingdom of heaven according to the scriptures (Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31; Hebrews 10:26-31). Thanks for providing your opinion but it is not one that I believe is supported by the scriptures.
Your response here...
Take Care.
Your response here...
Seriously there is too many scriptures? Read your bible. Here is a few only...
- John 3:36 36, He that believes on the Son has everlasting life: and he that believes not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God stays on him.
- Matthew 7:21-23 21, Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22, Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? 23, And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.
- 1 John 2:3-4 3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4, He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
- John 10:27 27, My sheep hear my voice (the Word), and I know them, and they follow me
Take Care.
3rdAngel
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Mark 2:28 does not say anywhere that Gods 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest. It says that Jesus is the Lord of owner of the Sabbath. Perhaps you should consider the context? Mark 2:27-28 states that the Sabbath was made for all mankind and v28 says that Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath because he is the maker of it. How do those scriptures say that Gods 4th commandment of the 10 commandments has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection? They don't they only further support the OP that Gods Sabbath is one of Gods 10 commandments and if we break it just like any other commandment from God it is sin.
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3rdAngel
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Breaking anyone of Gods 10 commandments is sin according to the scriptures (James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4) and the wages of known unrepentant sin is death but the gift of God's forgiveness and eternal life is found in Jesus *Romans 6:23 given as a free gift of Gods great love, mercy and grace to all those who choose to believe and follow what Gods Word says (Ephesians 2:8-9)
Take care.
It's a natural result of acting from a place of love. But simply keeping commandments can be done from a place of narcissistic self-interests also. So simply following the rules is not an indication of love in your heart.
Jesus talked about whitewashed tombs, all clean and following the rules on the outside, yet full of decay and rot on the inside. Calling yourself a follower of Jesus because you go to church 4 times a week, is not a sign that you are filled with Love in your heart. There are other ways to tell that. Ways that can't be faked.
If you want to follow the Old Testament, then you are obligated to follow all of it. No shellfish, get circumcised, no touching women for 7 days after they have menstruation, and the whole nine yards. I don't see why you would bother with Christianity then, since you could just follow Moses instead of Jesus.
That has nothing whatsoever to do with someone talking about having a personal experience of God. How can there possibly be two or three witnesses, when it's a subjective experience, had by the person themselves within themselves?
Example, "I feel profound love for you in my heart, darling", you say to your wife. And she responds, "Unless you can produce two or three witnesses to corroborate your claims of feeling love in your heart for me, I shall not believe you. Go sleep out in the toolshed, you false prophet, you!"
That is exactly what you attempted to say to me. It is of course, absurd rubbish to call down that verse when someone speaks of a personal experience in their heart. And you dared to call me a "false prophet" for saying I have experience unconditional love from God.
You sound exactly like those who accused Jesus of casting out devils by the devil. That of course, was equally as absurd as your argument calling me a false prophet by saying I experienced God's love. I think the gospel author had those like yourself in mind as he set them against Jesus' teachings about love as the fulfillment of the law. Casting out devils, with devils. Preach love, inspired by Satan. How sad.
Bonus Question: Is God's love conditional upon your obeying the law? Yes or no?
2nd Bonus Question: Do you only love your children if they do what you say? Or, if you don't have children, did your own parents only love you when you were good and did what they say? Did you need to earn their love from them towards you? Yes, or no? Be honest.
3rd Bonus Question: Do you believe God will send you to hell if you go to church on Sunday, instead of Saturday? Yes or no?
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As a side note, so that you know: even if your theology were right, I would vastly prefer to go to hell than to heaven. Or to die, rather than having eternal life. I am saying this so that you save yourself time trying to sell me something I do not want. In the interest of efficiency, of course.
So, back to the main topic. Can you confirm that blowing kids brains off, and working on Saturdays, are morally equivalent according to Jesus?
That is what I can conclude from our previous discussions.
Ciao
- viole
I never said it was abolished. Can you please quote me where I said that? Can you quote where I said to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest?
Apparently you are not only reading into what I have said but additionally you are ignoring the scriptures I have said.
Your experience is subjective, and you cannot have it confirmed on your own witness. And your wife may have just married you for your money, or some imagined prestige, or simply for lust. She may or may not think you love her, or have lust for her, or is just going to stick with you until the bank is empty. None of that has to do with the love of God, for do not "the tax gatherers do the same" (Matthew 5:46). Your reasoning seems a little bit shallow.
Thanks. I agree with you. Only logically incoherent Christians would introduce different levels of severity in the violations of the 10 Commandments. Levels of severity that do not exist anywhere in Scriptures, as you correctly pointed out.
Ergo, killing kids and working on Saturday are morally equivalent, according to Christianity. I am still not sure why we observe Christians rallying against, say, abortion, and not against McDonalds, but that is probably a mystery of the faith.
Not the same with raping, since this is not even part of the commandments. Which allows us to conclude that working on Saturdays is vastly worse than raping a girl.
Or at least, that is what logic allows us to infer. And I am happy you agree with that.
No further objections.
Ciao
- viole