WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT IS ABOLISHED?

[icehorse]

Hi nice to meet you. I think it is an important question to be honest. Gods 10 commandments according to the scriptures give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing when obeyed) and evil (moral wrong doing when disobeyed); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing). *see Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172 and according to James in James 2:10-11 if we break anyone of Gods 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin. Gods 4th commandment is one of Gods 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is and there is not a single scripture in all the bible that says that Gods 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus. Sunday worship as a replacement for Gods 4th commandment on the other hand is a man-made teachings and tradition that has no support in the bible. Even Jesus in His own words say that if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God in Matthew 15:3-9. It begs the question by disobeying God and His Word who are we worshiping God or man? Sin is the transgression of the law *1 John 3:4 and all those who practice known unrepentant sin according to the scriptures will not enter into the kingdom of heaven according to Hebrews 10:26-31.

Take Care

Nice to meet you too!

Do you think the 10 commandments are the 10 most important moral instructions we should use? (I don't)

 

[exchemist]

I haven’t read the whole of this thread but I think you’re looking for Matthew 22:38-40, last sentence.

Yes, though in the present context (keeping the Lord's Day holy) verse 37 is perhaps the more relevant.

What intrigues me is where people get the conviction from that every word of scripture, and only the words of scripture, constitute the "Word of God". Is there anything in scripture that says so? And even if there is, why do we have to believe it is true?

 

[3rdAngel]

Nice to meet you too! Do you think the 10 commandments are the 10 most important moral instructions we should use? (I don't)

According to the scriptures they are an essential part of the gospel. They teach us that we are all sinners in need of Gods salvation and that we are all condemned and stand guilty before God of sin and death and help to lead us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith *Galatians 3:22-25. Without God 10 commandments we have no knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7). If we have no knowledge of what sin is we have no need of a Saviour from our sins (see Matthew 9:12-13). If we have no Saviour from our sins we have no Salvation or forgiveness for our sins. If we have no forgiveness for our sins the scriptures teach we will all perish in our sins (see Romans 2:12). So yes Gods 10 commandments are very important. They are the standard of Christian living. Gods 10 commandments give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing when obeyed) and evil (moral wrong doing when disobeyed); sin (moral wrong doing when disobeyed and righteousness (moral right doing when obeyed) see Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172. They also help to lead us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith. So yes they are among the most important moral instructions in the whole bible repeated in both the old and new testament scriptures.

God bless

 

[3rdAngel]

Yes, though in the present context (keeping the Lord's Day holy) verse 37 is perhaps the more relevant. What intrigues me is where people get the conviction from that every word of scripture, and only the words of scripture, constitute the "Word of God". Is there anything in scripture that says so? And even if there is, why do we have to believe it is true?

According to the scriptures "the Lords day" is not Sunday linked

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

You don't seem to understand the circularity of your argument. If one believes that one can use the (hopefully) inspired wisdom of the church to make decisions about practice, one is not likely to be impressed by a mere load of bible references, shorn of context. One of the messages of Christ was to get away from slavish observance of rules and look behind the rules to the animating principle. "Was the Sabbath made for Man or Man for the Sabbath?"

Aside from which, nothing in the Bible describes the 7th as Saturday. It would depend on what day you started to count. The point was to remember to rest 1 day in 7. It surely can't bother God if not everybody on the planet all rests at exactly the same time. (They couldn't, anyway, since the earth is a globe, and daylight starts 12 hours later halfway round - something else the Biblical God didn't seem to know.)

 

[3rdAngel]

Aside from which, nothing in the Bible describes the 7th as Saturday. It would depend on what day you started to count. The point was to remember to rest 1 day in 7. It surely can't bother God if not everybody on the planet all rests at exactly the same time. (They couldn't, anyway, since the earth is a globe, and daylight starts 12 hours later halfway round.)

Probably the Jews, Jesus and the Apostles would be a great starting point as the Jews as a people have been keeping it for over 4000 years according to the scriptures. Biblical time though it not the same as our time. A day in biblical time starts at sunset and finishes at the following sunset. So the Gods Sabbath our time is Friday sunset to Saturday sunset. Gods 4th commandment is very specific. It does not say to take off one day in seven it says that the "seventh day" is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God *Exodus 20:10. God's 4th commandment is a memorial of creation (Genesis 2:1-3) and a celebration of God as our creator of heaven and earth and His people have been keeping it unbroken for 1000's of years according to the biblical time of sunset to sunset *Genesis 1.

 

[Apostle John]

Nice to meet you too!

Do you think the 10 commandments are the 10 most important moral instructions we should use? (I don't)

Yes, I do. A while ago I researched where morals come from. I read some absolute nonsense like ‘watch how a she wolf mothers her cubs’ but then thankfully found a rabbi mentioning the Torah. I do agree with him but things have moved on.

 

[lukethethird]

Yes, I do. A while ago I researched where morals come from. I read some absolute nonsense like ‘watch how a she wolf mothers her cubs’ but then thankfully found a rabbi mentioning the Torah. I do agree with him but things have moved on.

Watch and observe something more closely related, like an ape, since we are apes.

 

[Exaltist Ethan]

Most people's work weeks start on Monday and end on Friday. Many people don't work on Saturdays or Sundays. If someone, say a Jew, a Messianic Jew, a Seventh-Day Adventist, or whatever wants to use Saturday as a means to pray to God on their day off, there's nothing stopping that person from doing so. Likewise, if a church or synagogue wants to hold their service on Saturday there is nothing stopping them from doing so.

This thread reeks of the idea that everybody has to do and act accordingly to the OP's view points. Pray to God on the Sabbath (Saturday), on Sunday, or whatever else day you want to pray. That's up to each individual person's preference and shouldn't be dictated by what one person thinks. If I were Christian, I'd study the Old Testament each Saturday and study the New Testament each Sunday, given equal weight to both sets of scriptures...

But my opinion shouldn't count considering that I am not a Christian, don't pray (very often), and every day is a rest for me given my disability.

 

[101G]

Hey guys

Just wondering where is the scripture that says Gods 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus?

May God bless you as you seek to know Him through His Word.

Commandment 1-10 is not abolish, but just not subject to the Christian in Christ Jesus. supportive scripture, 1 Timothy 1:5 "Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:" 1 Timothy 1:6 "From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;" 1 Timothy 1:7 "Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm." 1 Timothy 1:8 "But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;" 1 Timothy 1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers," 1 Timothy 1:10 "For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;"

none of the Law is abolish, but those in Christ Jesus is not subject to it. for our righteousness is in him, Christ Jesus, and we in him. those who are found outside of him is subject to the LAW, all of them.

for if one is not under the NEW COVENANT, then they will meet the Law.

101G

 

[InChrist]

Hey guys

Just wondering where is the scripture that says Gods 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus?

May God bless you as you seek to know Him through His Word.

The Sabbath commandment has not been abolished. It is a remembrance of God’s rest from His creation work and covenant sign between God and the Israelites forever…

Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. Exodus 13:31

God does not have the 7th day sign with Himself and the NT church composed of born-again, new creation believers in Christ.
You will notice that all the Ten Commandments are reiterated in the NT scriptures, except the 4th concerning worship on the 7th day Sabbath. Rather, the Christians of the early church are shown to gather on the first day of the week ( Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:2 ), the day Jesus rose from the dead providing victory over death and the old creation and opening new eternal life for all who trust His finished work.

 

[lukethethird]

WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT IS ABOLISHED?

It's in code, buried deep inside.

 

[stvdv]

Hey guys

Just wondering where is the scripture that says Gods 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus?

May God bless you as you seek to know Him through His Word.

IF you consider it so important to follow your Scripture THEN you should be the first to empathize with others who follow their Scripture

Bible is for those who follow Bible
Old (New) Testament followers follow Old (New)
Bhagavad Gita is for those who follow Bhagavad Gita
etc.etc

I don"t see the problem you see in this
It seems to me you created a non existent problem

 

[lukethethird]

IF you consider it so important to follow your Scripture THEN you should be the first to empathize with others who follow their Scripture

Bible is for those who follow Bible
Old (New) Testament followers follow Old (New)
Bhagavad Gita is for those who follow Bhagavad Gita
etc.etc

I don"t see the problem you see in this
It seems to me you created a non existent problem

What happens when you follow scripture?

 

[icehorse]

Yes, I do. A while ago I researched where morals come from. I read some absolute nonsense like ‘watch how a she wolf mothers her cubs’ but then thankfully found a rabbi mentioning the Torah. I do agree with him but things have moved on.

I'm not sure I understand. It sounds like you DO think the 10 are the best, but then you said things have moved on?

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

There isn't one. Most of the Christian church does not rely solely on scripture to make decisions about practice. They have tried to think for themselves, believing that the spirit of God is alive in the church and that the faith is therefore not just fossilised in a book.

In other words people think they can change God's rules.

 

[Kenny]

Hey guys

Just wondering where is the scripture that says Gods 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus?

May God bless you as you seek to know Him through His Word.

Not abolished, fulfilled in the year of Jubilee where every day is a Sabbath day. Jesus is the Lord over the Sabbaoth

 

[stvdv]

What happens when you follow scripture?

Who knows...God knows

 

[3rdAngel]

Most people's work weeks start on Monday and end on Friday. Many people don't work on Saturdays or Sundays. If someone, say a Jew, a Messianic Jew, a Seventh-Day Adventist, or whatever wants to use Saturday as a means to pray to God on their day off, there's nothing stopping that person from doing so. Likewise, if a church or synagogue wants to hold their service on Saturday there is nothing stopping them from doing so.

This thread reeks of the idea that everybody has to do and act accordingly to the OP's view points. Pray to God on the Sabbath (Saturday), on Sunday, or whatever else day you want to pray. That's up to each individual person's preference and shouldn't be dictated by what one person thinks. If I were Christian, I'd study the Old Testament each Saturday and study the New Testament each Sunday, given equal weight to both sets of scriptures...

But my opinion shouldn't count considering that I am not a Christian, don't pray (very often), and every day is a rest for me given my disability.

Hey nice to meet you. We are asking what the scripture says and there is no scripture that says that Gods 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus. This is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God and His Word to either knowingly or unknowingly break Gods 4th commandment and sin against God (1 John 3:4; James 2:10-11). According to the scriptures Gods Sabbath is the seventh day of the week not any day of the week *Exodus 20:10 from Genesis 2:1-3 with biblical time starting from sunset to sunset, making Gods seventh day Sabbath from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset our time. The OP is discussing what the scriptures say. Not what our opinions might be.

Take Care.

 

[3rdAngel]

Commandment 1-10 is not abolish, but just not subject to the Christian in Christ Jesus. supportive scripture, 1 Timothy 1:5 "Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:" 1 Timothy 1:6 "From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;" 1 Timothy 1:7 "Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm." 1 Timothy 1:8 "But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;" 1 Timothy 1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers," 1 Timothy 1:10 "For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;"

none of the Law is abolish, but those in Christ Jesus is not subject to it. for our righteousness is in him, Christ Jesus, and we in him. those who are found outside of him is subject to the LAW, all of them.

for if one is not under the NEW COVENANT, then they will meet the Law.

101G

According to the scriptures in the very words of Jesus in Matthew 22:36-40 to love God and our fellow man (Jesus was quoting Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18) is simply summing up all the law and the prophets (Matthew 22:40; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12; 1 John 5:2-3; John 14:15; John 15:10). Love is expressed in obedience to Gods law not disobedience or breaking Gods law in those who have been born again to walk in Gods Spirit to love (see Galatians 5:16; Romans 8:1-4; John 3:3-7; compare 1 John 3:4-9; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14). Those in Christ are not subject to the law because they have been given Gods forgiveness for their sins and are now walking in newness of life free from condemnation and death and are now walking in newness of life in obedience to Gods law (see Romans 6:1-23). According to the scriptures no one is "in Christ" is they are living a life of known unrepentant sin. Those who are living a life of known unrepentant sin according to the scriptures do not know God (see 1 John 2:3-4) and are in danger of the judgement to come (see Hebrews 10:26-31.

Take Care.