WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT IS ABOLISHED?

[2ndpillar]

You are highly misinformed and misled in your imaginations. You have no credible support for your wild accusations of others you chose to demonize and hate for hate's sake.

Approximately 150 people a day die from Fentanyl, just one drug, according to this report, but I have heard over 100,000 per year in the U.S. , and the deaths are generally sudden and quick, with no time for infection. New Research Exposes The 15 Most Dangerous Drugs
According to the Progressive New York Times, Mary Jane, also known as marijuana, is a "gateway drug". Marijuana Has Proven to Be a Gateway Drug - NYTimes.com
Feel free to use whatever is legal, just know that legal doesn't mean smart, and your life might not be so well situated as it is.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

your obvious mental deficient source of information

Mentally, not mental. The word is modifying the adjective deficient, meaning the adverbal form is called for here.

Six Antifa domestic terrorist were arrested

No, they weren't. Nor were any vampires or leprechauns arrested for the same reason. There is no such organization as antifa. It's conservative disinformation intended to indoctrinate the intellectually susceptible.

Based on my search, humanism is simply another religion

Then you must consider religion and worldview synonymous. I don't. I don't call a worldview a religion unless it contains magical thinking.

Scientology is more honest in that they are looking for their personal improvement, which is to become one with Satan, all which goes back to when Satan/serpent tried to sell the promise of eternal life by simply breaking the commandment of God. Here is a nice google search link to a deeper dive into humanism. >The most dangerous religion of today: Humanism

You cite the Moonies? Talk about dangerous.

I remember what life was like believing that the universe was infected with a master demon that means one harm. One of the benefits of atheism is not being yoked with that belief. The religion that led you to think that is harmful (not to mention self-serving and selfish to do that to you) - not the worldview that recognizes that fact and avoids that kind of thinking.

Also, the world makes more sense to me from outside of religion. Plus, no church or tithing for over forty years now. How many thousands of hours and dollars did I save with that? Would you call a belief that creates the need for itself and costs that much dangerous? I would.

But, you've given them permission to do that with you, and you seem to be content with the result, so I'm good with it even if I wouldn't want it for myself.

 

[nPeace]

By the same token, killing is also covered, then.

ciao

- viole

What does the law of Christ say?
Matthew 5:21, 22 ; 1 John 3:15
The principles of the law will always stand.
This is why we know smoking cigars is ungodly, since they kill - the smoker, and his neighbor.
Thus applying the spirit of the law, and not the letter of the law, one is declared righteous by God.

All of the first century Christians understood this teaching.
Romans 13:8-10
8 Do not owe anything to anyone except to love one another; for whoever loves his fellow man has fulfilled the law. 9 For the law code, “You must not commit adultery, you must not murder, you must not steal, you must not covet,” and whatever other commandment there is, is summed up in this saying: “You must love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does not work evil to one’s neighbor; therefore, love is the law’s fulfillment.

This is true, is it not? If one truly has love, no they do not need a law telling them don't murder, don't steal, don't rape, etc.
Those under the law of the Christ, are a free people, who do not use that freedom as an excuse to do badness.
Hence Jesus could rightly say...
John 13
34 I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are my disciples - if you have love among yourselves.”

This love goes beyond just loving one's neighbor, so as not to harm them. It involves being willing to sacrifice one's life, in their behalf.
Is not the law of Christ superior, in every way, to the Mosaic Law with its Ten Words?

It's only after the first century, that there was a gradual deviation from the true understanding of the teachings of Christ, and his first century followers.
Apostate Christianity - Christendom, has failed to educate people in basic understanding regarding God's will and purpose.
So, I well understand people's confusion.

The only thing is, humility, would cause one to let go of the traditions that go contrary to faith.
Clinging to those teaching does not get us close to God.

 

[2ndpillar]

A bigger issue for me is how Christianity defines love. And justice, and mercy. And not surprisingly, it manifests as hatred calling itself love. Look at what's being called God's love. It requires obedience, and the alternative to submission is punishment. That's also the love of Trump. And Jim Jones. It's also reminiscent of an abusive relationship: "Why do you make me hurt you when I love you so much?"

This might help, but I won't hold my breath.

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[2ndpillar]

No, they weren't. Nor were any vampires or leprechauns arrested for the same reason. There is no such organization as antifa. It's conservative disinformation intended to indoctrinate the intellectually susceptible.

I am not sure what you are saying. Are there no anti-fascist, or is it that these anti-fascists did not destroy property and burn a police car, or that they weren't charged for 'domestic terrorism", or that it was simply a "mostly peaceful protest", or are you coming from 1984, and saying there is no "organization" and only independent cells" as would be the case with the Communist Comintern organization procedures? My mind is not as twisted as Biden's, so I am not sure where you are coming from. Do these mostly out of state individuals get their traveling funds from Soros, a Progessive socialist funder, as was originally done throughout the other states, or have they somehow held onto funding from Russia, or hitched their trailer to China, while feigning a repulsion for the national socialist of Hitler, as is now being done by Putin in Ukraine? Say that it is not necessarily so.

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[Windwalker]

Approximately 150 people a day die from Fentanyl, just one drug, according to this report, but I have heard over 100,000 per year in the U.S. , and the deaths are generally sudden and quick, with no time for infection. New Research Exposes The 15 Most Dangerous Drugs
According to the Progressive New York Times, Mary Jane, also known as marijuana, is a "gateway drug". Marijuana Has Proven to Be a Gateway Drug - NYTimes.com
Feel free to use whatever is legal, just know that legal doesn't mean smart, and your life might not be so well situated as it is.

I was asking for your BS claims about chopped up children parts being part of the Democrats agenda, or some such wild conspiracy theory nonsense you spew in every post you make. You can't support that with a credible source.

Nor in all honestly, what you linked to above is considered any official view of the experts. You linked to an opinion article, and the same link provides alternative opinion articles. This is not the science. It's their opinions. Look at this one: Fears of Marijuana's Gateway Effect Vastly Exceed the Evidence - NYTimes.com. You can see clearly that the actual experts don't agree with your opinion article you cherry picked.

The gateway theory can be summarized as an ounce of truth embedded in a pound of bull. Yes, most people who use heroin and cocaine used marijuana – and alcohol and tobacco for that matter – first. But the vast majority of people who use marijuana never progress to using other illicit drugs, or even to becoming regular marijuana consumers. That’s why the National Academy of Sciences’ Institute of Medicine says “there is no conclusive evidence that the drug effects of marijuana are causally linked to the subsequent abuse of other illicit drugs.”​

But again, this really doesn't have anything to do with the hateful, untrue bile you spew in your posts about liberals and democrats. The only reference was handing out needles to junkies, who are going to do the drugs anyway, as a measure to try to reduce lethal infections through using dirty needles. That is not promoting heroin use. Get real.

So, your cherry picking opinion articles to support your views, is just as bad as your theology! If you can't read a news site and know what you are looking at, you sure as heck can't navigate scripture!

 

[Windwalker]

They are Gods Words not my words and there is no error in them.

Have you mastered bypassing interpretations of words you read? Can you explain why everyone reads those same words yet comes to different conclusions than you? I am not misquoting you, or making stuff up that you are claiming to not be interpreting scripture, like the rest of humanity has to. You even underscored your saying this. You are misinterpreting scripture. They are not God's interpretation of scripture. They are yours!

 

[3rdAngel]

@Oeste I see you did not get an answer to your question.

I don't get why it's irrelevant, since the claim is that "God commanded us".

Thank you that was the point I was trying to make.

 

[nPeace]

Thank you that was the point I was trying to make.

You were trying to make the point that i don't understand why you haven't answered the question?

 

[3rdAngel]

Have you mastered bypassing interpretations of words you read? Can you explain why everyone reads those same words yet comes to different conclusions than you? I am not misquoting you, or making stuff up that you are claiming to not be interpreting scripture, like the rest of humanity has to. You even underscored your saying this. You are misinterpreting scripture. They are not God's interpretation of scripture. They are yours!

No that is what you have done. I prefer to read what is in the scriptures not read what is not in the scripture and pray for Gods guidance and help through His Spirit claiming His promises in John 7:17; John 14:26; John 16:13; 1 John 2:27 which is a part of Gods new covenant promise in Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. If we do not have Gods Spirit we cannot know Gods Words (Isaiah 55:8-9; Isaiah 59:2) and God only gives His Spirit to those who obey him according to Acts 5:29; 32. You choose not to see Gods Word in order to promote a teaching of lawlessness which is not biblical and the scriptures are fulfilled in the words of Jesus "He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil." (John 3:18-19). Gods Word brings us light to know if we are walking in them or not and we are told to examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith or not in 2 Corinthians 13:5. No one can claim to know God and His Word according to John if they do not keep Gods commandments and are knowingly breaking them and there is no truth in them 1 John 2:3-4 "And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." When the light is turned on there is no where for the darkness to hide. (John 3:19-21)

Take Care.

 

[3rdAngel]

You were trying to make the point that i don't understand why you haven't answered the question?

I did answer the question and made many other points including the one you made. See point 1 in post # 578 linked

 

[3rdAngel]

We both know that not all people who use God's Words use them correctly. But you do not just use God's Words, you comment on them and make assumptions about them etc and that is fine because interpretation is what we do. And yes God's word is truth but we can't just pick and choose what we believe in God's Word or we make the Bible contradict itself. This is something we all need to be looking at in our interpretations. I hope I am not doing it, and sometimes I think I might be.
1 John 3:3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as Christ is pure. 4 Everyone who practices sin practices lawlessness as well. Indeed, sin is lawlessness. 5........ (snipped by 3rdAngel could not fit it in but the response given below addresses all your post)

According to the scriptures in the last days there will be many false teachers seeking to lead others away from God and his Word into sin and death before the second coming of Jesus. It is one of the signs of the last days being fulfilled today in the 40,000 different Christians religions who have departed God and His Words to follow man-made teachings and traditions (see Matthew 24:24; 2 Timothy 4:3-4; Acts 20:28-30; 2 Peter 3:16-18; 1 John 4:1; Matthew 7:15-20; 2 Peter 2:1-22; Matthew 7:15 etc). So it is not true to say everyone interpretation of the scripture is correct, just as it is not true to say there is not a correct interpretation of the scriptures. The test according to the scriptures is by our actions and who we believe and follow. According to the scriptures those who break Gods law and do not believe His Words are committing sin (1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7) and those who practice sin according to John in 1 John 3:6-10 are the children of the devil. John repeats this earlier when he gives us a test to know of someone is from God or not from God in 1 John 2:3-4 where he says "And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." John is agreeing with what Jesus is saying in Matthew 7:13-23 where he says by their fruits you shall know them. That is who is from God and who is not. If we do not have Gods Spirit we cannot know Gods Words (Isaiah 55:8-9; Isaiah 59:2) and God only gives His Spirit to those who obey him according to Acts 5:29; 32. This is why Jesus says in John 3:3-7 unless we are born again we cannot enter in to the Kingdom of heaven. Why? Because those who are born again do not practice sin (1 John 3:6-9) and obey Gods law because they have been born again into Gods new covenant promise to walk in Gods Spirit in newness of life and have been freed from their sins to follow Jesus (see Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:24-27; Galatians 5:16; Romans 6:1-23. We need to be born again to obey God and walk in His Spirit because we are all sinners and need Gods salvation. This is the good news of the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ who paid the penalty for our sins and to free us from them (see John 3:16-21; John 8:31-36).

PS. James 2:10-11 is indeed talking about Gods 10 commandments (it is quoting not committing adultery and not murdering as examples) of if we break one we break them all. While John states in 1 John 3:4 sin is the transgression or breaking Gods law agreeing with James and Paul who says that sin is breaking Gods 10 commandments in Romans 7:7 using the example of thou shalt not covet and telling us that the purpose of Gods law is to give us a knowledge of what sin is when we break it in Romans 3:20.

Take Care.

 

[3rdAngel]

By your standard no-one can be forgiven because the temple was destroyed and a sacrifice for sin can't be made there. I believe Jesus has every right to change the Sabbath to whatever He wishes and the person who opposes Him is an anti-christ.

All can be forgiven we are in the new covenant now not the old. Jesus is God's sacrifice for the sins of the world once and for all *see John 1:29; Hebrews 10:10 who now ministers in the presence of God for us in the heavenly temple made without hands based on better promises (see Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-27; Hebrews 10:1-22).

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

This might help, but I won't hold my breath.

Help with what? I'm fine.

I am not sure what you are saying.

There is no organization called antifa. That is yet another conservative fiction. There are still people in America opposed to fascism, although the numbers supporting it seem to be growing, but they are just ordinary people like me. As best I can tell, the rioting that conservatives keep pointing to was a reaction to racism, not fascism, although no doubt many were of the racists were fascistic as well. They were antira, not antifa, and neither is an organization. And my main objection to race riots is not the rioting. It's making people feel that that is the only way for them to be heard. I support BLM, not MAGA.

 

[3rdAngel]

I think we must realize that Genesis was a sort of 'prequel' to Exodus. Observance of the Sabbath was well established before Gen.
For Christians the 'Lord's Day' is observed on the 'eighth' day, and “fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish sabbath and announces man’s eternal rest in God."

I agree with your first part as well as shown in the scriptures @pearl. However there is no scripture in all the bible that says Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day". That is simply a man-made teaching and tradition that is unsupported in scripture just like those who believe that Gods 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to rest on Sunday in honor of the resurrection of Jesus. There is no scripture for these teachings which have led many away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God against the very warnings of Jesus given in Matthew 15:3-9.

Take Care.

 

[Windwalker]

A bigger issue for me is how Christianity defines love. And justice, and mercy. And not surprisingly, it manifests as hatred calling itself love. Look at what's being called God's love. It requires obedience, and the alternative to submission is punishment. That's also the love of Trump. And Jim Jones. It's also reminiscent of an abusive relationship: "Why do you make me hurt you when I love you so much?"

It's not Christianity defining it that way. In fact, the scriptures are really clear about how love acts. That large groups of those in the Christian religion don't grok that understanding, and instead see the very conditional love of the God of Fear, that is kind of the point of why Christianity is hard for those to grasp. It's not the religion teaching that. It those who are that way to begin with, who read it that way.

Think of this way. Christianity doesn't make people fundamentalists. But those who are fundamentalist in their thinking, find fundamentalist groups to support and validate themselves with within Christianity. You also have the opposite within the religion. It's not fair to say Christianity is a monolithic thing the way you tend to, anymore than it is for someone to say Atheism is about God-haters. Those who are anti-theists, will find other anti-theist within Atheism, the same way fundamentalists find fundamentalists. But it's hardly fair at all to say Atheism is defined by the militants, is it?

There's a nice metaphor in marine biology. Plankton are the creatures like algae that float with currents. Nekton are the larger creatures that swim, walk, slither, etc., and in so doing, choose their direction and location. Intellectually, be nekton, not plankton.

I love this!!! I have to remember this one!

 

[2ndpillar]

Help with what? I'm fine.

There is no organization called antifa. That is yet another conservative fiction. There are still people in America opposed to fascism, although the numbers supporting it seem to be growing, but they are just ordinary people like me. As best I can tell, the rioting that conservatives keep pointing to was a reaction to racism, not fascism, although no doubt many were of the racists were fascistic as well. They were antira, not antifa, and neither is an organization. And my main objection to race riots is not the rioting. It's making people feel that that is the only way for them to be heard. I support BLM, not MAGA.

Yeah sure. The top leadership of BLM have Marxist training, and they do not financially support the minority businesses in which they have helped burn down, but they do support the California real estate business community by buying multiple high value homes with the money they squeezed out of Big Business. Of the businesses in my town that got wrecked and robbed, well, the BLM rioters were not prosecuted by our Progressive prosecutor. That would be part of their ESG agenda. And yeah, one of your "brothers", probably the lesbian girls up the street, with a BLM sign, stole my large MAGA sign. Don't be concerned, for I have another one with a camera on it, which they haven't touched. Those of the darkness, dressed in black, such as with Antifa, with masks, do not want to be in the light. During Hitler's time, they were called "brown shirts", a tint from hiding behind black shirts. With the banks failing, the dollar looking to be devalued by the BRICS, the stock market going down, and retirement accounts failing, or unfunded, I don't think your failing to finance the corrupt church, has made you wealthy in the meantime. How did your student load go? How can "antifa" not exist, if it is not "antira"?
Black Lives Matter co-founder describes herself as ‘trained Marxist’

 

[2ndpillar]

I love this!!! I have to remember this one!

Do you prefer to "slither"?

 

[2ndpillar]

I think we must realize that Genesis was a sort of 'prequel' to Exodus. Observance of the Sabbath was well established before Gen.
For Christians the 'Lord's Day' is observed on the 'eighth' day, and “fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish sabbath and announces man’s eternal rest in God."

The "eighth" day would refer to the time after the 7th millennium, as with the day after the 7 day feast of Booths, which refers to the time of the "lake of fire", for which the "many" find rest in the lake, whereas the "few" would enter into life, the results of keeping the Commandments (Matthew 19:17).

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

It's not Christianity defining it that way. In fact, the scriptures are really clear about how love acts.

I make a distinction between Christianity on paper and Christianity as rendered by believers and the church. Scripture doesn't affect me directly, since I don't use it as a resource. Apologists frequently point to the book, but I look at Christiandom to understand the religion. Believers frequently say that those people aren't true Christians, but of course, they are, as there is no behavioral test for being Christian for me - just an ideological one - the acceptance of Jesus being who others say he was and is. So between the idealized Christian and the one on the street, which is the true Christian and which is the fictitious one?

Christianity doesn't make people fundamentalists.

It did me. I walked into a fundamentalist church as an atheist with a girlfriend in 1973 (later a wife), went to the altar, and left it on the road to fundamentalism Christianity for most of the next decade.

I love this!!! I have to remember this one!

Thanks.

The top leadership of BLM have Marxist training

OK, but why should I care? Why do you? Do you think that makes people worse people? I think being MAGA makes people worse.

one of your "brothers", probably the lesbian girls up the street, with a BLM sign, stole my large MAGA sign.

Not Antifa?

With the banks failing, the dollar looking to be devalued by the BRICS, the stock market going down, and retirement accounts failing, or unfunded, I don't think your failing to finance the corrupt church, has made you wealthy in the meantime.

Thanks for your concern, but I'm financially secure, and have been since my retirement, which came in my mid-fifties. Many of my Christian peers - other physicians now also in their sixties - are still working, all of whom had several children. We had none. My wife just looked at the hospital staff to see who was still on it. All three of my former call partners are.

I estimate that my tithing would have been about $500,000, and that I would still be working with them, and with much less in savings and with much more debt (I have none now), not to mention a much higher cost of living. In that situation, I might be threatened financially now. But being childfree, not tithing, and now, living a simple village life in a much less expensive economy with no debt, our current nest egg should see us to the end.