Which Church has the best artwork?

[painted wolf]

The outdoors are very beautiful and fantastic art, but I would hardly call it a church. Did not the Incas, Myans, Aztecs, and Pagans in general worship the outdoors and do some pretty vile things (human sacrifice, cannibalism etc.)? I would say they were about as outdoorsie as you can get.

Christians did some vile things too... but I don't take a dump on your house of worship because some of you slaughtered millions (and in some places are still killing) for the sake of purity or spiritual conquest.

That is my church pictured in my post. You didn't ask for a building of stone, gold and fancy works of men.

wa:do

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

Christians did some vile things too... but I don't take a dump on your house of worship because some of you slaughtered millions (and in some places are still killing) for the sake of purity or spiritual conquest.

That is my church pictured in my post. You didn't ask for a building of stone, gold and fancy works of men.

wa:do

And I am not saying it isn't beautiful. I full heartedly agree that God makes the best artwork, hands down.

 

[painted wolf]

And I am not saying it isn't beautiful. I full heartedly agree that God makes the best artwork, hands down.

You're just saying that my church doesn't count... and that you think I'm some kind of murderous savage.

wa:do

 

[Quagmire]

The outdoors are very beautiful and fantastic art, but I would hardly call it a church. Did not the Incas, Myans, Aztecs, and Pagans in general worship the outdoors and do some pretty vile things (human sacrifice, cannibalism etc.)? I would say they were about as outdoorsie as you can get.

In what way were the Incas, Myans, and Aztecs, "as outdoorsie as you can get"? As far as the indigenous populations of the Americas go, they were the most "civilized" (and IMO, therefore the most corrupt).

The real indigenous American Nature worshipers, the North American tribes, didn't practice human sacrifice or cannibalism.

And since "Pagan" in this context is basically just a nickname for any "non-Christian", it makes no sense at all to make claims about how/where/or what they worship.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

You're just saying that my church doesn't count... and that you think I'm some kind of murderous savage.

wa:do

Unless you are a headhunter and a canible, I did not call you a murderous savage, I just stated my opinion about carnal doctrine, and I stated my view on what the God of the Bible and the Book of Mormon likes.

 

[painted wolf]

Unless you are a headhunter and a canible, I did not call you a murderous savage, I just stated my opinion about carnal doctrine, and I stated my view on what the God of the Bible and the Book of Mormon likes.

You strongly implied it when you went on your little side track about "Incas, Myans, Aztecs, and Pagans in general"

I somehow doubt that was unintentional.

wa:do

 

[dust1n]

As to why Clawson was asked to do the mural instead of Anderson, I don't know. I do know that he lived in Salt Lake City, whereas Anderson did not. It took him 9 months to complete, though, so that may have been a factor. Also, Clawson was in his mid 40s when he did the mural. Anderson was by then nearly 80.

That is pretty impressive...

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

You strongly implied it when you went on your little side track about "Incas, Myans, Aztecs, and Pagans in general"

I somehow doubt that was unintentional.

wa:do

I more or less said that calling the outdoors a church breeds carnal doctrine.

 

[Quagmire]

I more or less said that calling the outdoors a church breeds carnal doctrine.

I believe that calling the natural world the "outdoors", as if it were some sort of peripheral reality, one as yet overlooked by man and therefore worthless (or worth less), amounts to telling God that the world we've created is somehow superior to the one He created.

 

[Shiranui117]

"How manifold are Your works, O Lord; in wisdom You have made them all!" Psalm 104:24

Abraham sacrificed to God on a mountain, and didn't need any building to please God. So we should refrain from judging painted wolf and where he prefers to worship; there's a Biblical precedent for where he chooses to do so.

painted wolf, for what it's worth, my heartfelt apologies for what has been said against you and other Pagans in this thread.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

I believe that calling the natural world the "outdoors", as if it were some sort of peripheral reality, one as yet overlooked by man and therefore worthless (or worth less), amounts to telling God that the world we've created is somehow superior to the one He created.

Interesting view.

I think that is the beauty of the unhewn alter, divine instructions. God and man working together.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

"How manifold are Your works, O Lord; in wisdom You have made them all!" Psalm 104:24

Abraham sacrificed to God on a mountain, and didn't need any building to please God. So we should refrain from judging painted wolf and where he prefers to worship; there's a Biblical precedent for where he chooses to do so.

painted wolf, for what it's worth, my heartfelt apologies for what has been said against you and other Pagans in this thread.

Hey, I told him God's works are beautiful.

Why do you believe God had Moses and his followers build a tabernacle, and why did God have his people build temples?

 

[painted wolf]

I more or less said that calling the outdoors a church breeds carnal doctrine.

Shows what you know about her religion. Or any indigenous faith really.

Unless spiritual purity, self sacrifice and thankfulness are somehow carnal now?

wa:do

 

[painted wolf]

painted wolf, for what it's worth, my heartfelt apologies for what has been said against you and other Pagans in this thread.

No worries. Not only am I used it is by now... but I know not to stain everyone with the same brush.

The individual is not always representative of the whole.
I seek to understand individuals over groups whenever possible.

wa:do

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Is it just me or do the Latter-day Saints have the best artwork?

That style is far to Schmaltzy for my taste, far too cinematic with almost no artistic merit.
I would suggest that the various Orthox churches have the greatest merit.
Though it would be hard to beat the ancient Egyptians for Religious expressions of art.

 

[painted wolf]

That style is far to Schmaltzy for my taste, far too cinematic with almost no artistic merit.
I would suggest that the various Orthox churches have the greatest merit.
Though it would be hard to beat the ancient Egyptians for Religious expressions of art.

The ancient Egyptians managed an incredible amount of symbolism in their artwork. From the sizes of the figures to the specific poses and colors chosen... often all wrapped in scripture. It's pretty amazing.

I also find Islamic script to be staggeringly beautiful. The choice to focus on the written word over figurative illustration really pushed their artwork in a unique direction.
Or the unification of written word and figure.

Not to mention their mastery of geometric forms.

Just stunning.

wa:do

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

The ancient Egyptians managed an incredible amount of symbolism in their artwork. From the sizes of the figures to the specific poses and colors chosen... often all wrapped in scripture. It's pretty amazing.

I also find Islamic script to be staggeringly beautiful. The choice to focus on the written word over figurative illustration really pushed their artwork in a unique direction.
Or the unification of written word and figure.

Not to mention their mastery of geometric forms.

Just stunning.

wa:do

OOOoooooo I love you comment on how Orthodox artwork is copying/ was inspired by the super symbolic Egyptian artwork. I remember learning about it in my art history class, totally true!

By the way I think that script art is awesome!

 

[dust1n]

Wow, the Islamic art is insane. It messes with my eyes and I can't see correct depth until I see the ground.

Here's one Hyonen zu by Josetus: (I've noticed that Buddhist art has a lot of focus on a single action or landscape. I really don't know much about it.)

Around 1415. (Thanks WIKI)

 

[Breathe]

Islamic calligraphy art is, in my opinion one of the most beautiful forms of art. There's just something beautiful, and almost otherworldly about it

 

[painted wolf]

OOOoooooo I love you comment on how Orthodox artwork is copying/ was inspired by the super symbolic Egyptian artwork. I remember learning about it in my art history class, totally true!

I didn't say anything about Orthodox art copying anything.

I did mention symbolism within anchient Egyption art.

By the way I think that script art is awesome!

Glad you like it. Islamic art doesn't get enough reccognition.

wa:do