Which evolved first, consciousness or senses

[Rick O'Shez]

In Vedantic view, consciousness is not created or formed. It is present and it is that within which time and all structures are manifested and destroyed and we are this consciousness -- the knower of all processes. Being the unborn awareness, we have the ultimate power to obtain freedom from the cycle of action-reaction determinism.

And what does that "freedom" look like in your system?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Well I stand corrected on something, I didn't know camels ever lived in Ireland!

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Is it an inane question to ask you about your opinion if you think that the eternally existing universe was created by natural means.

That's not what you asked. What you asked was:

"Do you think an eternal existing universe is normal and very natural thing to happen?"

It's an inane question because

1) I can't possibly know, as I have already stated that I don't know whether the Universe does (or could) exist eternally and,
2) I have no idea what is "normal" in the context of the formation of the Universe.

You might as well ask "Do you think it is normal for a quimble to contain a billow flop?"

If it isn't natural and it isn't then why you need to make a dodgy stupid answers.

When did you stop beating your wife?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

That is true. If a question regarding 'whether a created hinge can create the hinge creator?' is absurd, how much more absurd it is to imagine that an intelligence created by some non intelligent process can unravel the truth of the process.

That has absolutely nothing to do with the question I was asked.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

When did you stop beating your wife?

How did you know about that?

Only joking.

 

[atanu]

And what does that "freedom" look like in your system?

Why do you ask?

 

[FearGod]

That's not what you asked. What you asked was:

"Do you think an eternal existing universe is normal and very natural thing to happen?"

It's an inane question because

1) I can't possibly know, as I have already stated that I don't know whether the Universe does (or could) exist eternally and,
2) I have no idea what is "normal" in the context of the formation of the Universe.

You might as well ask "Do you think it is normal for a quimble to contain a billow flop?"


When did you stop beating your wife?

Keep dodging.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Keep dodging.

Are you serious? I answered your question three times.

 

[atanu]

That has absolutely nothing to do with the question I was asked.

What was the question?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

What was the question?

Ah, my apologies, I thought you were quoting my response to the question posed by FearGod, not your question about hinges.

 

[FearGod]

Are you serious? I answered your question three times.

All your answers indicates that the eternal existing universe can't exist by natural means, if it can then explain how otherwise
just admit it's beyond the nature that we know and beyond our knowledge.

 

[idav]

just admit it's beyond the nature that we know and beyond our knowledge.

Being beyond the nature we know and being supernatural are worlds apart.

 

[FearGod]

Being beyond the nature we know and being supernatural are worlds apart.

The nature we know won't create the universe that we know, hope my point is clear.

 

[idav]

The nature we know won't create the universe that we know, hope my point is clear.

Thats where we might disagree. The nature we know is much more profound than your making it to be with things like time dilation and spooky action from a distance. Nature actually tells us our logic is flawed, so creating something isn't outside the realm of possibility for nature.

 

[FearGod]

Thats where we might disagree. The nature we know is much more profound than your making it to be with things like time dilation and spooky action from a distance. Nature actually tells us our logic is flawed, so creating something isn't outside the realm of possibility for nature.

What was the nature before 20 billions years ago that created the universe that we know and from where it came from?
Assuming that a thing existed that started the universe and how singularity started, which nature you're talking about?

 

[idav]

What was the nature before 20 billions years ago that created the universe that we know and from where it came from?
Assuming that a thing existed that started the universe and how singularity started, which nature you're talking about?

Singularity doesn't need to be true for what I said to stand on its own evidence that we observe, with our eyes.

 

[FearGod]

Singularity doesn't need to be true for what I said to stand on its own evidence that we observe, with our eyes.

I said what was before singularity, what kind of nature it was before 20 billions of years ago?

 

[idav]

I said what was before singularity, what kind of nature it was before 20 billions of years ago?

The nature at the point of a singularity would be eternal, you know what that entails, your a theist.

 

[blue taylor]

Senses without consciousness has no value, similarly consciousness without senses has no value.

How senses and consciousness evolved simultaneously, was it due to plan or just happened by chance?

Senselessness.

 

[FearGod]

The nature at the point of a singularity would be eternal, you know what that entails, your a theist.

Yes by logic the thing before the singularity have to be existing and eternal, and God is eternal.