Which evolved first --- FRUIT BEARING TREES or FRUIT EATING CREATURES?

[truthofscripture]

In my opinion yes it means we should stop producing cigarettes. We stopped putting lead in our oil based products because it was killing us.

But how it started? You can't keep taking things back all the way to the big bang for every single issue that we have answers for that you don't agree with. If so this is just gonna get really boring really fast and any sort of discussion will become meaningless. The big bang itself is a mystery and no one had all of the answers on it. In fact I don't think anyone has actual "answers" for it. People have theories, beliefs and hypothesis about it but no one has true answers.

I rather believe in the creation story, rather than a big bang that accidentally put everything in just the right place to create the universe. The big bang is something rather like a kid's fairy tale.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

I rather believe in the creation story, rather than a big bang that accidentally put everything in just the right place to create the universe. The big bang is something rather like a kid's fairy tale.

I think you have a it backwards. The bible is literally like a kid's fairy tale. The big bang however is a complex theory based around questions and few answers. The fact that you stated that everything just accidentally put everything in the right place indicates to me that you don't actually know what it states.

 

[McBell]

I rather believe in the creation story, rather than a big bang that accidentally put everything in just the right place to create the universe. The big bang is something rather like a kid's fairy tale.

Sad that your faith requires such a rigid grasp on that strawman.

 

[David M]

The pitdown man was created by a scientist who wanted to gain fame and fortune well after the theory had been fully established with lots of non-fabricated evidence. Isn't it also kind of funny that out of tens of thousands of different fossils we only have a handful of fakes? And isn't it weird how those fakes are found out by other scientists as if it was some sort of self correcting process.

Some scientists questioned the authenticity of the find from the start, but Dawson refused to let the specimen be closely examined.

 

[truthofscripture]

I think you have a it backwards. The bible is literally like a kid's fairy tale. The big bang however is a complex theory based around questions and few answers. The fact that you stated that everything just accidentally put everything in the right place indicates to me that you don't actually know what it states.

Many feel that way, but it is most certainly not a fairy tale at all. The big bang THOERY is a thoery and nothing more. Not proven, and unproveable. No matter what that thoery states, it is still an unproven thoery, not fact. The scriptures however, have proven themselves in my life more times than I could ever recount. Every prophecy even has been fulfilled, at least the ones that are not future, in exacting detail just as written. Not one has failed. Nowhere can one find information on health, science, and behavior between us and our neighbors, that is totally accurate, and works exactly as advertised. The most interesting prophecies are the ones being fulfilled right now.

 

[McBell]

Many feel that way, but it is most certainly not a fairy tale at all. The big bang THOERY is a thoery and nothing more. Not proven, and unproveable. No matter what that thoery states, it is still an unproven thoery, not fact. The scriptures however, have proven themselves in my life more times than I could ever recount. Every prophecy even has been fulfilled, at least the ones that are not future, in exacting detail just as written. Not one has failed. Nowhere can one find information on health, science, and behavior between us and our neighbors, that is totally accurate, and works exactly as advertised. The most interesting prophecies are the ones being fulfilled right now.

**Climbs up onto pontoon boat**

Did I get any of it on me?

 

[Kuzcotopia]

Nowhere can one find information on health, science, and behavior between us and our neighbors, that is totally accurate, and works exactly as advertised.

But what about Leviticus Chapter 7:11:

"And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you."

Bacon is bad.

But as far as I can tell, cupcakes are not forbidden. Bible forbids bacon, but it don't mind the empty carbs.

Edit: Wow, what a chapter. You can specifically eat locusts, grasshoppers, and beetles. . . But all other bugs are forbidden.

 

[truthofscripture]

But what about Leviticus Chapter 7:11:

"And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you."

Bacon is bad.

But as far as I can tell, cupcakes are not forbidden. Bible forbids bacon, but it don't mind the empty carbs.

Edit: Wow, what a chapter. You can specifically eat locusts, grasshoppers, and beetles. . . But all other bugs are forbidden.

That was part of the law covenant, which was ended because Israel (the Jews) broke the covenant. Bacon isn't forbidden anymore, neither is seafood without scales. I don't mind cupcakes, and I don't like Ben and Jerry's. I do like fudge ripple and pistachio and tin roof sundae ice creams. If the cupcakes have the light whipped frosting, I like them too. But bacon is GOOD. How else can you make a BLT sandwich? How else can you have bacon with French Toast? Come on!!!

 

[Kuzcotopia]

But what about Leviticus Chapter 7:11:

"And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you."

Bacon is bad.

But as far as I can tell, cupcakes are not forbidden. Bible forbids bacon, but it don't mind the empty carbs.

Edit: Wow, what a chapter. You can specifically eat locusts, grasshoppers, and beetles. . . But all other bugs are forbidden.

Don't forget chapter 10 of Luke II (they call it Acts): Peter singlehandy overruled all of Old Testement law with a single vision about an awesome
picnic. Luke, author of Acts, writes about some 50+ years later,

Now, bacon is perfectly fine, along with dolphins and penguins and whatever.

Yeah, Bible as a source of health makes a lot of sense.

 

[truthofscripture]

Don't forget chapter 10 of Luke II (they call it Acts): Peter singlehandy overruled all of Old Testement law with a single vision about an awesome
picnic. Luke, author of Acts, writes about some 50+ years later,

Now, bacon is perfectly fine, along with dolphins and penguins and whatever.

Yeah, Bible as a source of health makes a lot of sense.

It's full of tips on spiritual, physical and mental health.

 

[Kuzcotopia]

That was part of the law covenant, which was ended because Israel (the Jews) broke the covenant. Bacon isn't forbidden anymore, neither is seafood without scales.

You need to seriously spread the word on that one. I'm glad you realize it, but I'm not sure everyone's on the same page as you.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Many feel that way, but it is most certainly not a fairy tale at all. The big bang THOERY is a thoery and nothing more. Not proven, and unproveable. No matter what that thoery states, it is still an unproven thoery, not fact. The scriptures however, have proven themselves in my life more times than I could ever recount. Every prophecy even has been fulfilled, at least the ones that are not future, in exacting detail just as written. Not one has failed. Nowhere can one find information on health, science, and behavior between us and our neighbors, that is totally accurate, and works exactly as advertised. The most interesting prophecies are the ones being fulfilled right now.

The big bang is a scientific theory. There is debate and questions about it. That is part of what makes it something drastically different than a fairy tale as it raises more questions than answers.

However I do not agree with your asssment of religion and I don't believe that your self fulfilling prophecies and rationalizations of your religion are evidence of its validity.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Some scientists questioned the authenticity of the find from the start, but Dawson refused to let the specimen be closely examined.

I am not very versed in the history of the pitman and the specifics of how the whole shenanigan happened but I don't doubt it. The bit of my post about how science has found these frauds and found them to be fraudulent because of real evidences is not evidence that the evidence is not real.

 

[truthofscripture]

You need to seriously spread the word on that one. I'm glad you realize it, but I'm not sure everyone's on the same page as you.

No question.

 

[David M]

I am not very versed in the history of the pitman and the specifics of how the whole shenanigan happened but I don't doubt it. The bit of my post about how science has found these frauds and found them to be fraudulent because of real evidences is not evidence that the evidence is not real.

Its quiet an interesting story, it was mainly the British scientific establishment that was so supportive of the status of the Piltdown Man and that was because it was a good fit with the political and cultural narrative of the British Empire. Scientists from abroad questioned its status from very early on. So it can be said that the hoax was perpetuated not for scientific reasons but cultural ones. Once scientists got their hands on the fossil the hoax was quickly exposed.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Its quiet an interesting story, it was mainly the British scientific establishment that was so supportive of the status of the Piltdown Man and that was because it was a good fit with the political and cultural narrative of the British Empire. Scientists from abroad questioned its status from very early on. So it can be said that the hoax was perpetuated not for scientific reasons but cultural ones. Once scientists got their hands on the fossil the hoax was quickly exposed.

Interesting. Thank you for the information.

 

[dust1n]

I rather believe in the creation story...

That pretty much could sum up everything.

 

[Sapiens]

I rather believe in the creation story, rather than a big bang that accidentally put everything in just the right place to create the universe. The big bang is something rather like a kid's fairy tale.

Ah ... the triumph of wishful ignorance over observed phenomena.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Ah ... the triumph of wishful ignorance over observed phenomena.

Pray tell, what scientific observation data exists for the cause of the big bang?

 

[David M]

Pray tell, what scientific observation data exists for the cause of the big bang?

So far not very much, for the simple reason that as it was the start of our universe you can't directly observe anything "before" the start (I use quotes as time started as well so the concept of "before" is meaningless).

There are a number of interesting hypotheses (such as Branes) and it is theoretically possible to test some of the aspects of some of these hypotheses.