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Which evolved first --- FRUIT BEARING TREES or FRUIT EATING CREATURES?

Monk Of Reason

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I am glad you have friends, and your opinion of what I have and haven't done is of no concern to you.
The opinion of what you have done is of concern to me. What you have actually done is of no concern of mine. I honestly don't care. But if you want to come onto the internet and say some drastically incorrect things and then turn around and claim you have spent your life studying it as a defense I will call you on it. I only mentioned my friends because I do know people that have dedicated their life to study and understanding of evolution and biology.
 

truthofscripture

Active Member
The opinion of what you have done is of concern to me. What you have actually done is of no concern of mine. I honestly don't care. But if you want to come onto the internet and say some drastically incorrect things and then turn around and claim you have spent your life studying it as a defense I will call you on it. I only mentioned my friends because I do know people that have dedicated their life to study and understanding of evolution and biology.
I don't understand what "the opinion of what you have done" means. It doesn't make any sense. And I have not said "some drastically incorrect things" either. You're not making a lot of sense here. What's the deal?
 

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
So anyway, the trees came first, yes? I have some mountain ash trees in my garden which produce a lot of berries, and in late September the starlings send a taster to check they are ripe, then a big horde of starlings descends, and it's complete chaos with birds and berries flying everywhere for a couple of days. Great fun to watch! I did wonder about picking the berries to make jam, but decided it was better that the starlings ate them. ;)
Hopefully there are now lots of little mountain ash trees sprouting up in the local area.
 

truthofscripture

Active Member
So anyway, the trees came first, yes? I have some mountain ash trees in my garden which produce a lot of berries, and in late September the starlings send a taster to check they are ripe, then a big horde of starlings descends, and it's complete chaos with birds and berries flying everywhere for a couple of days. Great fun to watch! I did wonder about picking the berries to make jam, but decided it was better that the starlings ate them. ;)
Hopefully there are now lots of little mountain ash trees sprouting up in the local area.
I wish. No buds yet here.
 

Monk Of Reason

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I don't understand what "the opinion of what you have done" means. It doesn't make any sense. And I have not said "some drastically incorrect things" either. You're not making a lot of sense here. What's the deal?
Actually your statement didn't make much sense to me so I rolled with it. You said something along the lines of "what your opinion of me is none of your concern" which I think you mean to say that my opinion of you was of no concern to you? Or something. I don't know. Either way it distracts from the rest of the post.

Earlier I quoted the post that was exactly opposite of true.
 

truthofscripture

Active Member
Actually your statement didn't make much sense to me so I rolled with it. You said something along the lines of "what your opinion of me is none of your concern" which I think you mean to say that my opinion of you was of no concern to you? Or something. I don't know. Either way it distracts from the rest of the post.

Earlier I quoted the post that was exactly opposite of true.
I made no posts that were the opposite of true. Ever.
 

Monk Of Reason

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What does "see bold test for reference" mean? What is bold test?

And yes, all such "transitional" species ever presented have been proven fakes using mostly dna testing. It could be said that you post the opposite of the truth.
I highlighted your text and put them in bold print to indicate what I was talking about specifically.

But there are no "transitional species" as we are all transitional species. There are not species that are in transition and we are not stationary in terms of evolution. What "transitional forms" were falsified?
 

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
Indeed there is in the fossil record. There is also evidence in the scriptures. There is no evidence of transitional species however. All such presented evidence has been proven to be falsified without exception.
Every single individual is a transitional form. There never was a "transitional species". Species is a term that we, humans, have constructed to describe groups of animals that are compatible and with common traits. In reality, nature doesn't work in steps of species, just individuals of shared gene pools in a point in time, and time changes, and the gene pool changes, and the individuals also change (of course). So, out of the 500,000 and counting fossils we have found, you could say every single one of them is a transitional "species".
 

McBell

Unbound
Providing proof of that is quite an endeavor. I am not going to amass all the evidence that each creature popped into the fossil record suddenly. It's too much work just to answer a question. It would take several lifetimes to amass all the information that evolution could not possibly explain most of what exists in the way of plants and animals, much less the physical universe. It's like the old argument that if a tornado went through a junk yard that it's possible a 747 could "accidentally" be created. It's just not possible. The best proof I can suggest though, is to study the scriptures, comparing each one to each other one over and over. Eventually, you will come to an accurate understanding of them, and have your proof. If you want to come by the house twice weekly for the next couple years, I will teach you the truth of the scriptures, which will prime the pump so to speak, of your study of the scriptures. But to assume that I can spend countless hours amassing proof merely to answer a question is to assume that I am insane, which I am not.
Unfortunately, scripture is not even reliable evidence for biology, let alone proof.
 

McBell

Unbound
Then, since you choose to eliminate the single best evidence of any subject ever, we cannot inteligently discuss this. Sorry Doctor.
If you are relying on scripture for you evidence of biology then you are not engaging in intelligent discussion in the first place.
 

Sapiens

Polymathematician
Indeed there is in the fossil record. There is also evidence in the scriptures. There is no evidence of transitional species however. All such presented evidence has been proven to be falsified without exception.
Your first statement is simply wrong, your second is just plain foolishness.
Then, since you choose to eliminate the single best evidence of any subject ever, we cannot inteligently discuss this. Sorry Doctor.
Evidence, broadly construed, is anything presented in support of an assertion. This support may be strong or weak. The strongest type of evidence is that which provides direct proof of the truth of an assertion. At the other extreme is evidence that is merely consistent with an assertion but does not rule out other, contradictory assertions, as in circumstantial evidence. You do not present any evidence, you claim, with no more support than your personal say-so (which without some presentation of credentials and documentation of expertise) is not worth a pile of oats digested and excreted by a bovine.
The scriptures are not a religious text.
OK, what are they?
But the inspired word of God are the only texts from our creator. The rest come from false religion. The difference is massive.
That is a totally unsupported claim that only serves to raise you to the level of Son of Sam. The difference between where you are and actual evidence of reality is clearly beyond your poor powers to add and subtract.
Certainly. But not any that you would acknowledge.
Actually it's sounding like not any that anyone would acknowledge, so it's not evidence.
I am glad you have friends, and your opinion of what I have and haven't done is of no concern to you.
Without bona fides your opinion is just that, your opinion, nothing more than the belief of one unqualified to comment.
 
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truthofscripture

Active Member
Your first statement is simply wrong, your second is an outright lie.

Evidence, broadly construed, is anything presented in support of an assertion. This support may be strong or weak. The strongest type of evidence is that which provides direct proof of the truth of an assertion. At the other extreme is evidence that is merely consistent with an assertion but does not rule out other, contradictory assertions, as in circumstantial evidence. You do not present any evidence, you claim, with no more support than your personal say-so (which without some presentation of credentials and documentation of expertise) is not worth a pile of oats digested and excreted by a bovine.

OK, what are they?

That is a totally unsupported claim that only serves to raise you to the level of Son of Sam. The difference between where you are and actual evidence of reality is clearly beyond your poor powers to add and subtract.

Actually it's sounding like not any that anyone would acknowledge, so it's not evidence.

Without bona fides your opinion is just that, your opinion, nothing more than the belief of one unqualified to comment.
You should be banned from this forum for your behavior.
 

Sapiens

Polymathematician
You should be banned from this forum for your behavior.
Really? Please point out what is wrong with my behavior, except that I point out where you are wrong or dishonest and call a spade a spade. Out of sympathy for your position I will change the objectionable word, but remember, transitional species are NOT a matter of any controversy.
 
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