Which is Less Severe, Judaism or Islam?

[Akivah]

That would be a good example, if Israel was fully practising Jewish Law, which currently they don't; meaning if they enforced their religious rules to the letter.

Why are you ignoring your own OP? Your OP asks about laws IN PLACE, whereas your post here asks about laws not in place.

 

[wizanda]

Why are you ignoring your own OP? Your OP asks about laws IN PLACE, whereas your post here asks about laws not in place.

Interesting point; did mean in place, meaning anything within the religious belief system...

So if Rabbinic Judaism substantiated we don't need to follow the Torah anymore, then by all means...

Yet since it doesn't, then clearly the Torah is also in place, and would be followed.

 

[Flankerl]

Just the monthly Thread by OP to ramble against Judaism.


Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Just the monthly Thread by OP to ramble against Judaism.


Nothing more, nothing less.

Anti-Semitism seems to bond different, varying types of people like nothing else.

 

[Akivah]

Just the monthly Thread by OP to ramble against Judaism.


Nothing more, nothing less.

Obviously Wizanda is on his normal rant against Jews. He will ignore all the barbaric policies IN PLACE in Muslim countries to fixate on what-ifs in Israel.

 

[wizanda]

Just the monthly Thread by OP to ramble against Judaism.


Nothing more, nothing less.

Sorry forgot to include this thread is branching off from here, since the root of Islam is Judaism.

No one is persecuting Jews in particular; just asking are barbaric religions of the past, acceptable in a modern world.

Anti-Semitism seems to bond different, varying types of people like nothing else.

Sick to death of this, Muslims are Semites as well, and it is OK for the Jews on here to post racists stuff all the time; yet the moment i ask questions being Jewish myself, 'on no, that is antisemitism'.

Obviously Wizanda is on his normal rant against Jews.

So it is OK for you to post racist stuff like here, where you haven't even followed what the OP was talking about; yet when this is a question, that isn't accusing anyone....

Try watching your own reasons for doing things, before accusing others.

He will ignore all the barbaric policies IN PLACE in Muslim countries to fixate on what-ifs in Israel.

Nope, i think both Religions come from our barbaric past, where mankind is slowly evolving out of such ridiculous legal systems.

Seriously judge yourself, and not me, as you're just blatantly wrong on all accounts.

Think to yourself before accusing: 'if a finger points, always 3 fingers point back at yourself'.

 

[GodlessHeathen]

While I am relatively new here and do not know whether accusations of anti-Semitism against wizanda are accurate, all I have to judge here is this thread itself and I don't see anything so far in this thread to indicate he hates Jews. One can question Judaism (or any other religion) without directing hatred at its followers.

 

[MARCELLO]

In terms of brutality both of them are on a terrible rat race. Only Hashem or Allah may answer this question.

 

[gnostic]

I don't know much about the political situations and stance of Israel. So perhaps some can answer some of my questions.

Is Israel a secular state, a religious state or mixture of the two?

How significance is Judaism or religious people influencing state policies?

Does Judaism impact negatively on the government or communities?

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

AFAIK, a jew who converts to another belief will not be killed. So in my opinion Islam is more severe because if you convert away you can be killed, therefore I'd rather live under a Jewish legal system

And I quote to you, the book of Deuteronomy:

"If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone him to death, because he tried to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again."

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

I don't know much about the political situations and stance of Israel. So perhaps some can answer some of my questions.

Is Israel a secular state, a religious state or mixture of the two?

How significance is Judaism or religious people influencing state policies?

Does Judaism impact negatively on the government or communities?

Have you heard of Palestine? Or the treatment of non Jews in general by the government and army? Even charity/aid workers/journalists are not safe.

 

[Twilight Hue]

When we examine the text, and laws that are in place, which is the most severe Judaism or Islam?

If you had to choose to live under one of these Law systems, which would you choose?

Judaism definitely as it stands. . While I prefer neither system of laws, I suspect quality of life in sense of individual freedom is notably better under Judaism in cases where one is not born under a theocratic system of laws.

 

[rosends]

I don't know much about the political situations and stance of Israel. So perhaps some can answer some of my questions.

Is Israel a secular state, a religious state or mixture of the two?

How significance is Judaism or religious people influencing state policies?

Does Judaism impact negatively on the government or communities?

Israel is a secular state with a theological underpinning. The mix of religion and politics is complex and goes beyond a simple explanation. You might want to read a site like this one http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Politics/poltoc.html

The wiki page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Israel has some interesting information as well but I haven't checked it all myself.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Have you heard of Palestine? Or the treatment of non Jews in general by the government and army? Even charity/aid workers/journalists are not safe.

Your mention of journalists caused me to recollect a film I watched once.

I remember seeing a documentary of a British journalist who wanted to get the Palestinian perspective, and went over to film and document the living and quality of life standards that is being endured at the hands of the Israelis at the time it was filmed. It includes some combat footage and engaugments between the two peoples
including the perspective of some of the children including the run ins with armored bulldozers. Also footage of child couriers and one severely wounded who didn't make it. Also covered a suicide bomber shortly after the explosion if I remember correctly.

In an attempt to approach one of the bulldozers in a non threatening manner as possible later on, he was shot and killed while the footage was rolling. His image was placed on a wall covered with posters of Palestinian martyrs, and was honored as such by the Palestinians towards the end.

I wish I could remember the title. I think it was through the BBC.

 

[rosends]

And I quote to you, the book of Deuteronomy:

"If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone him to death, because he tried to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again."

What is the value of simply quoting this? The statement was made about Judaism, not about the literal text on its own.

 

[Tarheeler]

Sick to death of this, Muslims are Semites as well....

Are you truly that ignorant of the origin of the term "antisemitic"?

 

[gnostic]

Have you heard of Palestine? Or the treatment of non Jews in general by the government and army? Even charity/aid workers/journalists are not safe.

But is that due to Judaism or the government policies?

I personally don't know which, because I am not well-versed in modern politics of Israel/Palestine, or even with the Middle East in general.

Modern politics are not my forte. If you were to ask me questions of politics in ancient times or the Middle Ages, I could probably answer you, depending on the geographical location of the civilisations we are talking about. But with modern politics, I know far less.

 

[Flankerl]

Are you truly that ignorant of the origin of the term "antisemitic"?

No its all part of the show. As always.

 

[wizanda]

Are you truly that ignorant of the origin of the term "antisemitic"?

Sorry not ignorant, maybe should have put 'some Muslims'....

Because it is racism that keeps being posted, like all Muslims or all Jews, and was just asking the question based on a line of thought, where instantly get attacked as being antisemitic, when i don't care about being racist.

As always.

You've not got a clue.

Your snarky attitude makes arguments against Jews on this forum; going to just start reporting you as a bully.

 

[Tarheeler]

Sorry not ignorant, maybe should have put 'some Muslims'....

Because it is racism that keeps being posted, like all Muslims or all Jews, and was just asking the question based on a line of thought, where instantly get attacked as being antisemitic, when i don't care about being racist.

Apparently extremely ignorant of it. Why don't you do some research on the origin of the word "antisemitic" and get back to us. Maybe then you'll realize just how asinine your comments are.

Or should I not hold my breath?