buddhist
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What evidence would that be?
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Which is more likely? To walk on water or walk on the moon?
- Thread starter Jonathan Ainsley Bain
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Jedster
Flying through space
I'd like to see that human walk on the moon without a space suit. See how they fare. Perhaps a little (or a lot) less chance of survival than the person that attempts today to walk on the deepest body of water.
Seeing that the title is in present tense, I thought that's what the thread was about. I'm thinking with a fancy suit (that floats) that walking on water would be easier/more likely than walking on the moon.
Seeing that the title is in present tense, I thought that's what the thread was about. I'm thinking with a fancy suit (that floats) that walking on water would be easier/more likely than walking on the moon.
So, if you get to use a space suit for walking on the moon, then why wouldn't the following count as walking on water?
Got plenty of video for this. So, poll question may not be answered, the thread's title is hands down that humans today are (far) more likely to walk on water than on the moon.
Got plenty of video for this. So, poll question may not be answered, the thread's title is hands down that humans today are (far) more likely to walk on water than on the moon.
Tumah
Veteran Member
I see you've been working on cutting your posts down to reasonable sizes! Good for you!Hi Folks...
Hmm - check out some of the more recent street magicians - some quite famous of course - Dynamo for example.....Walking on water - no problem at all apparantly...
And NO - thats NOT "camera fakery" - far too many decent cameras around taking multiple shots of the same events rules that kind of fakery out for sure - that leaves something very bizarre going on for real - walking on water would be the easy baby steps actually compared to some stuff thats out there......
Walking on the moon though - well - all manner of controvasy about that isnt there..?..Far easier to prove walking on water as we have ongoing evidence to examine - but the moon stuff..??..>Who REALLY knows..??
Oh - and btw - my mate Christ - did it FIRST and He is legitimate Divine - not so sure about these others though
PeteC-UK
Active Member
Hi Folks..
Neo Deist; Yer Ive seen all the explanantions offered - BUT - they simply do not cut it Im afraid when we look closely....As said FAR TOO MANY CAMERAS - what cant speak cant lie as my dear old Mum would say....So - the official cameraman - yer they may fake it for affects of course if they must and that would be easy to do of course - BUT - the PUBLIC aint fooled so easily these days for as said MULTIPLE camera angles filmed by ONLOOKERS who have no bias or agenda and are even openly disbelieving or confrontational even.....One guy Dynamo changes his BANK CARD DETAILS right before his eyes - literally makes the card now have Dynamos name embossed on it - he takes it to a cash machine and starts with drawing the guys money and he FREAKS OUT - obviously NOT a fake stooge - just a guy on a london street - random - could be you or I..There IS something bizarre going on with such "magicians"...As I said walking on water is the EASY stuff....Explain the other stuff so easily..?...Such as walking DOWN A BUILDING in front of multiple witnesses - like just walking DOWN the outside of a building - no wires harness NOTHING - again filmed by eye witness PUBLIC people form multiple locations - there is no camera trickery evident at all...he comes down walks off hundreds of yards all filmed - no stopping to take a harness off or anything....BIZARRE !!!
Or the famous stunt where in Brazil before the statue of Christ up on the famous hill - in front of HUNDREDS OF TOURISTS - he levitates to a height of about twenty feet for ALL TO SEE AND FILM - check out again MULTIPLE PUBLIC FOOTAGE freely available - again there is NO evidence of ANY trickery apparant to THOSE PRESENT who are all fully bewildered by this event......Unless we suppose he payed ALL THOSE TOURISTS to be in on his scam then for sure once again something BIZARRE is going on.. or what - all these poele are "covering for him"..??...WISE UP - at least one of them would have revealed his scam to us and so got their own 5 minutes of fame - but NONE have ever come fiorward ot say they were a willing stooge....
I got interested in this phenomena as I personally know someone who is a "fan" of this Dynamo and she thought it would interest me also - it INTRIGUES Me - not entirely sure what is going on - keep an open mind here - she swears she was one of his "stooges" - bought a legitimate regular SEALED BOTTLE OF PEPSI COLA - and he right before her eyes (and others) changed it into ORANGE JUICE even before the bottle seal was broken - she SAW it change - then opened it drank it it WAS ORANGE...I have seen the UNEDITED video that SHE HERSELF recorded on HER OWN I-phone - good quality right up close video - it IS bizarre and seems totally unexplainable by mundane means.. NO WAY is SHE faking it or lying to me - to this day she is baffled and has followed his exploits closely and is truly amazed at the possibilities...
Father Heathen ; Ah the "facepalm" ploy - useless Im afraid - just shows that you have a closed mind - and look - it is this closed mindset indeed that society holds in general that itself should be mocked and ridiculed - see you have been TAUGHT to be skeptical of such things - and dont you (all) realise yet - those who "teach" you often MISLEAD you in such truths - on purpose - and you are mostly blind now to the truth of reality Im afraid - so yes - thosw who need to - cover your face with your own palm - both hands if you need - best you stay in your ignorant slumber if that is most comfortable for you .....
Neo Deist; Yer Ive seen all the explanantions offered - BUT - they simply do not cut it Im afraid when we look closely....As said FAR TOO MANY CAMERAS - what cant speak cant lie as my dear old Mum would say....So - the official cameraman - yer they may fake it for affects of course if they must and that would be easy to do of course - BUT - the PUBLIC aint fooled so easily these days for as said MULTIPLE camera angles filmed by ONLOOKERS who have no bias or agenda and are even openly disbelieving or confrontational even.....One guy Dynamo changes his BANK CARD DETAILS right before his eyes - literally makes the card now have Dynamos name embossed on it - he takes it to a cash machine and starts with drawing the guys money and he FREAKS OUT - obviously NOT a fake stooge - just a guy on a london street - random - could be you or I..There IS something bizarre going on with such "magicians"...As I said walking on water is the EASY stuff....Explain the other stuff so easily..?...Such as walking DOWN A BUILDING in front of multiple witnesses - like just walking DOWN the outside of a building - no wires harness NOTHING - again filmed by eye witness PUBLIC people form multiple locations - there is no camera trickery evident at all...he comes down walks off hundreds of yards all filmed - no stopping to take a harness off or anything....BIZARRE !!!
Or the famous stunt where in Brazil before the statue of Christ up on the famous hill - in front of HUNDREDS OF TOURISTS - he levitates to a height of about twenty feet for ALL TO SEE AND FILM - check out again MULTIPLE PUBLIC FOOTAGE freely available - again there is NO evidence of ANY trickery apparant to THOSE PRESENT who are all fully bewildered by this event......Unless we suppose he payed ALL THOSE TOURISTS to be in on his scam then for sure once again something BIZARRE is going on.. or what - all these poele are "covering for him"..??...WISE UP - at least one of them would have revealed his scam to us and so got their own 5 minutes of fame - but NONE have ever come fiorward ot say they were a willing stooge....
I got interested in this phenomena as I personally know someone who is a "fan" of this Dynamo and she thought it would interest me also - it INTRIGUES Me - not entirely sure what is going on - keep an open mind here - she swears she was one of his "stooges" - bought a legitimate regular SEALED BOTTLE OF PEPSI COLA - and he right before her eyes (and others) changed it into ORANGE JUICE even before the bottle seal was broken - she SAW it change - then opened it drank it it WAS ORANGE...I have seen the UNEDITED video that SHE HERSELF recorded on HER OWN I-phone - good quality right up close video - it IS bizarre and seems totally unexplainable by mundane means.. NO WAY is SHE faking it or lying to me - to this day she is baffled and has followed his exploits closely and is truly amazed at the possibilities...
Father Heathen ; Ah the "facepalm" ploy - useless Im afraid - just shows that you have a closed mind - and look - it is this closed mindset indeed that society holds in general that itself should be mocked and ridiculed - see you have been TAUGHT to be skeptical of such things - and dont you (all) realise yet - those who "teach" you often MISLEAD you in such truths - on purpose - and you are mostly blind now to the truth of reality Im afraid - so yes - thosw who need to - cover your face with your own palm - both hands if you need - best you stay in your ignorant slumber if that is most comfortable for you .....
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
So the rational mind is a closed one?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Some examples, but you're as capable of googling as the rest of us:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Reconnaissance_Orbiter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_evidence_for_Apollo_Moon_landings
PeteC-UK
Active Member
Hi Folks...
Father Heathen; YES it can be - indeed it can....It can be the most shut up type of mind of any that we posess...
By rational I assume you mean the mind that refuses anything it cannot explain..?..the mind that thinks and believes it ALREADY has a complete truth..?...
THAT mind is actually IRRATIONAL if the endeavour is to find such truth - just by denying certain things out of hand in this way we see it is closed off and unreceptive - and that itself is wholly irational because simply that mind is sabotaging its own endeavour and does NOT actually know the complete truth already does it - so by closing the Self off the mind literally prohibits it Self from EVER attaining the truth it sort....
And this is a very big problem indeed - for it turns out (one day you will realise) that it is MIND itself that literally CREATES all reality and all existance - and so to close the mind off so is to do the Self a great injustice in truth..
Father Heathen; YES it can be - indeed it can....It can be the most shut up type of mind of any that we posess...
By rational I assume you mean the mind that refuses anything it cannot explain..?..the mind that thinks and believes it ALREADY has a complete truth..?...
THAT mind is actually IRRATIONAL if the endeavour is to find such truth - just by denying certain things out of hand in this way we see it is closed off and unreceptive - and that itself is wholly irational because simply that mind is sabotaging its own endeavour and does NOT actually know the complete truth already does it - so by closing the Self off the mind literally prohibits it Self from EVER attaining the truth it sort....
And this is a very big problem indeed - for it turns out (one day you will realise) that it is MIND itself that literally CREATES all reality and all existance - and so to close the mind off so is to do the Self a great injustice in truth..
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Meh, I was trying to go for "air" = gas.
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
I guess really you're bouncing on the moon, LOL.
Jesus probably found a partially submerged sandbar.
Jesus probably found a partially submerged sandbar.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Jesus has odd tastes for choosing to go with an irradiated and barren landscape of dust and craters.
PeteC-UK
Active Member
Hi Folks...
Yer but in His defense - the world is most obviously littered with fools and ignorant people - perhaps even my mate needed some time out occasionally - how long will you struggle against me He asked..?...Come to help you out but you are all drunk He said - incapable of hearing for now - what a shame - sleep off that wine they gave you first He advised then come try again..
Surrounded constantly by such "self inflicted ignorance" I can see a trip to the moon would be a dream holiday by comparison
Yer but in His defense - the world is most obviously littered with fools and ignorant people - perhaps even my mate needed some time out occasionally - how long will you struggle against me He asked..?...Come to help you out but you are all drunk He said - incapable of hearing for now - what a shame - sleep off that wine they gave you first He advised then come try again..
Surrounded constantly by such "self inflicted ignorance" I can see a trip to the moon would be a dream holiday by comparison
buddhist
Well-Known Member
Like I stated, I have no first-hand knowledge of any of this, so it's still faith-based for me.
It's like Luke pointing out the idea that "Jesus' crucifixion is true"! And then pointing out the fact that modern archaeologists found "fragments of the true cross". I never saw the crucifixion for myself, nor have I seen for myself these fragments nor am I able to verify them for myself.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
No good option to choose from.
Neil didn't fake it. He did walk on the moon. I'm certain of it. That's my belief.
Jesus... I don't know. Maybe he faked it, or maybe the story is just made up, or maybe he did walk on water, or maybe he was an early Chris Angel,... can't say, because there's not much evidence to go on for either answer.
Besides, I've walked on water many times in my youth. Frozen water is called ice, and we have a lot of frozen lakes with thick layers of ice during the winter in Sweden. We even had shoes with a metal blade on the bottom that we called skates, and we were skating on frozen water. I wasn't that good at it, but still...
Neil didn't fake it. He did walk on the moon. I'm certain of it. That's my belief.
Jesus... I don't know. Maybe he faked it, or maybe the story is just made up, or maybe he did walk on water, or maybe he was an early Chris Angel,... can't say, because there's not much evidence to go on for either answer.
Besides, I've walked on water many times in my youth. Frozen water is called ice, and we have a lot of frozen lakes with thick layers of ice during the winter in Sweden. We even had shoes with a metal blade on the bottom that we called skates, and we were skating on frozen water. I wasn't that good at it, but still...
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Its a metaphor, simple.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
Most likely. But there's no evidence for any answer. Any answer would be pure conjecture.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
That maybe so, but with all the magical stuff that was supposed to happen, it makes much more sense to not believe in all that made up sh...
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
I couldn't bring myself to vote in the poll. I'm still trying to wrap my head around why someone would think that this was a particularly intelligent thread idea.