Which one is a Cult? A or B?

[Brian2]

Jesus was in the flesh. Do you believe he was one of three persons who came from heaven?

That question feels like a trick question to me.
My mind goes to the passage below.
John 3:12 If I have told you about earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you about heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended into heaven except the One who descended from heaven— the Son of Man.

 

[YoursTrue]

That question feels like a trick question to me.
My mind goes to the passage below.
John 3:12 If I have told you about earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you about heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended into heaven except the One who descended from heaven— the Son of Man.

Jesus knew about heaven, since the knowledge of heaven was opened to him at his baptism, especially since he had been in heaven before he came to the earth. It is necessary to put scriptures in context. Jesus statement makes it clear that he came from heaven, left his father, and was born as a human to Mary. Other scriptures, such as "I and the Father are one," can be misleading insofar as the trinity is concerned if one does not have proper understanding. This understanding really must come from God. Similar to what Jesus told Nicodemus.

 

[Brian2]

Jesus knew about heaven, since the knowledge of heaven was opened to him at his baptism, especially since he had been in heaven before he came to the earth. It is necessary to put scriptures in context. Jesus statement makes it clear that he came from heaven, left his father, and was born as a human to Mary. Other scriptures, such as "I and the Father are one," can be misleading insofar as the trinity is concerned if one does not have proper understanding. This understanding really must come from God. Similar to what Jesus told Nicodemus.

From post 340 on I can't help but have the impression that you mistook me for Dogknox20. You have gone completely off track in what we were talking about.

 

[YoursTrue]

From post 340 on I can't help but have the impression that you mistook me for Dogknox20. You have gone completely off track in what we were talking about.

Since you believe Jesus is YHWH, that is why I asked if you believe that God is 3 persons. Anyway, have a nice day, I'm kind of finished talking about whether Jesus is God, god, a god, a human, etc. It's so clear to ME from the scriptures that there's no point in belaboring it now.

 

[Brian2]

Since you believe Jesus is YHWH, that is why I asked if you believe that God is 3 persons. Anyway, have a nice day, I'm kind of finished talking about whether Jesus is God, god, a god, a human, etc. It's so clear to ME from the scriptures that there's no point in belaboring it now.

History has been unkind to Christianity and at this stage it seems the divisions run deep on some things and Satan uses them to divide more.

 

[YoursTrue]

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Good point.... Clearly there are those who don't sin Ezekiel 18:19 (below). There are those whos soul does not die.. These people do NOT die the righteous soul shall NOT be destroyed at death
......... "The soul that sinneth, it shall die. ......
Ezekiel 18:19 “Yet you ask, ‘Why does the son not share the guilt of his father?’ Since the son has done what is just and right and has been careful to keep all my decrees, he will surely live.

If you point out the soul dies by those that sinneth .... Then it also tells you there are those souls that "LIVE" in the case of the son! (above) A good example also of a soul that does NOT Die is Samuel! His soul was brought back by the witch OR...

YoursTrue or the souls of Moses or Elijah their soul was NOT destroyed at death!

Matthew 17:3 Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.

I think you're mixing up the scriptures.

 

[YoursTrue]

History has been unkind to Christianity and at this stage it seems the divisions run deep on some things and Satan uses them to divide more.

I know that my Redeemer lives.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Which one is a Cult? A or B?

'Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power.' (1 Corinthians 15:24)


A. Trinitarians Claim that God hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father
B. Christians Claim Jesus hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father

That belief is not what would make either one a cult. Whether something is a cult or not depends more on how the leadership treats its members.

 

[Brian2]

I know that my Redeemer lives.

Job 19:25 I know that my redeemer lives,
and that in the end he will stand on the earth.
26 And after my skin has been destroyed,
yet in my flesh I will see God;
27 I myself will see him
with my own eyes—I, and not another.
How my heart yearns within me!

 

[YoursTrue]

Job 19:25 I know that my redeemer lives,
and that in the end he will stand on the earth.
26 And after my skin has been destroyed,
yet in my flesh I will see God;
27 I myself will see him
with my own eyes—I, and not another.
How my heart yearns within me!

What a glorious day that will be!

 

[YoursTrue]

That question feels like a trick question to me.
My mind goes to the passage below.
John 3:12 If I have told you about earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you about heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended into heaven except the One who descended from heaven— the Son of Man.

Yes, Jesus came from heaven. He was not a human before he came to earth as a man. Then he died and went back to heaven. Hope you understand this. He could rightly say he came from heaven, and was going back to heaven, he of all men knew heavenly things.

 

[YoursTrue]

Job 19:25 I know that my redeemer lives,
and that in the end he will stand on the earth.
26 And after my skin has been destroyed,
yet in my flesh I will see God;
27 I myself will see him
with my own eyes—I, and not another.
How my heart yearns within me!

You do realize that if someone gets a skin graft, or a kidney transplant, it is not someone else's kidney, or skin, right?

 

[Brian2]

Yes, Jesus came from heaven. He was not a human before he came to earth as a man. Then he died and went back to heaven. Hope you understand this. He could rightly say he came from heaven, and was going back to heaven, he of all men knew heavenly things.

Yes, true.

 

[Brian2]

You do realize that if someone gets a skin graft, or a kidney transplant, it is not someone else's kidney, or skin, right?

At the resurrection with a glorified body which is immortal and incorruptible the molecules might not necessarily be the ones we had with this body on earth. And of course the molecules in this body are slowly being replaced with new ones anyway.

 

[YoursTrue]

At the resurrection with a glorified body which is immortal and incorruptible the molecules might not necessarily be the ones we had with this body on earth. And of course the molecules in this body are slowly being replaced with new ones anyway.

I can't say any immortal body has molecules. Yes, molecules in our bodies are presumably being replaced with "new" ones, I do believe lungs are renewed, so if a person was a smoker as I had been, I heard the lungs would be renewed after some years after I stopped (which I did), but I don't know that for a fact - yet. However, the point is I don't know that an immortal body would contain or be composed of molecules. I can't say. I do not expect to get an immortal body, but rather, if I die, a body that is "mine" when I'm resurrected. I will know myself. I will know my body, who I am. Do you understand what I mean?

 

[YoursTrue]

You do realize that if someone gets a skin graft, or a kidney transplant, it is not someone else's kidney, or skin, right?

@Brian2 - What I mean by that is, that transplanted part 'belongs to,' or becomes part of the body to which it is transplanted. Probably not a good illustration but suffices to say that the skin graft, etc., is now mine. I could say the restored, resurrected body really belongs to God. He, by means of his Son Jesus Christ, gives a new body to those that are brought back from the dead. And how happy we will be -- no more pain at least -- in our physical bodies.

 

[Brian2]

I can't say any immortal body has molecules. Yes, molecules in our bodies are presumably being replaced with "new" ones, I do believe lungs are renewed, so if a person was a smoker as I had been, I heard the lungs would be renewed after some years after I stopped (which I did), but I don't know that for a fact - yet. However, the point is I don't know that an immortal body would contain or be composed of molecules. I can't say. I do not expect to get an immortal body, but rather, if I die, a body that is "mine" when I'm resurrected. I will know myself. I will know my body, who I am. Do you understand what I mean?

I think I understand.

 

[YoursTrue]

I think I understand.

Yes, it won't be like someone could really say, "This is not my body -- it's my friend's body." And I figure there won't be mental aberration as if someone is not in their "right" mind. Oh well, I'll keep it as simple as possible. What a wonderful day that will be!! (Revelation 21:1-5 -- no more pain, no more crying -- no more suffering -- )

 

[Brian2]

Yes, it won't be like someone could really say, "This is not my body -- it's my friend's body." And I figure there won't be mental aberration as if someone is not in their "right" mind. Oh well, I'll keep it as simple as possible. What a wonderful day that will be!! (Revelation 21:1-5 -- no more pain, no more crying -- no more suffering -- )

Yes it all sounds pretty good.

 

[YoursTrue]

Yes it all sounds pretty good.

I think so. I want to be who I am, not who somebody else is, anyway. (I might like to improve...<g>) I just saw a video tonight I think you might like: It's about the resurrection to come. I hope you enjoy it.
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