Which political party actually acts like Nazis? Trump Jr says it's the Democrats.

[Twilight Hue]

Let's see....

Good ole' Keith Ellison.

 

[Lyndon]

actually 99% of the Nazi vote went to Trump

 

[Sanzbir]

Neither party is even remotely close to the Nazi party of 1930.

There are good people on both sides...

*Ducks and covers*

C'mon now, if you don't come out and viciously denounce one party over the other as "Literally Hitler" then how the devil are we sensible tribalists supposed to know whether we're supposed to mindlessly defend you or try to tear you to pieces??

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Regardless of this, it is remarkably vapid to make facile Nazi analogies whether it's about Dems or Pubs. That people are so deluded by partisan bias that they can't see how inane they are is quite funny really. Obama was the antichrist

This position carried more weight before Trump started singling out a religious minority for special mistreatment (the "Muslim ban") or locking up people in camps wholesale. The comparison to the Nazis - at least the Nazis of the mid-30s - is pretty apt at this point.

 

[fantome profane]

Apparently it “Nazi week” here on RF.

(I prefer the sharks)

 

[Quetzal]

Hit'm with the false equivalency stick!

Nonsense! Put him on the strawman rack!

 

[Revoltingest]

Nonsense! Put him on the strawman rack!

Do both!
And then pour tu quoque all over him.

 

[Augustus]

This position carried more weight before Trump started singling out a religious minority for special mistreatment (the "Muslim ban") or locking up people in camps wholesale. The comparison to the Nazis - at least the Nazis of the mid-30s - is pretty apt at this point.

Nazi analogies are still idiotic.

Abba Eban on the perils of analogy, "This apple is round, red, shiny, and good to eat. This rubber ball is round, red and shiny. Therefore, there is at least a strong probability that it will be good to eat. The basic truth is that circumstances in which situations differ from each other may precisely be those that define their essential nature."

 

[Shad]

The claim of similarity between the Democratic & 1930s Nazi platforms is an old one.
I recall first seeing it several decades ago....long before Trump became newsworthy.

The similarity exists as there are number of source showing Hitler and Co. did look at the American legal system. Although this in no way means they needed nor copied anything from America and it's systems to create the Nuremburg laws. More so many of the references lack links to a political party. So one would need to cross reference the laws with voting records. James Whitmen has a recent book about it.

 

[Shad]

And I'm pretty sure all racists are republicans. What's your point?

^Satire, by the way^

NOI is Dem. The Black Caucus has no issues having lunch with good old Lou

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Nazi analogies are still idiotic.

Abba Eban on the perils of analogy, "This apple is round, red, shiny, and good to eat. This rubber ball is round, red and shiny. Therefore, there is at least a strong probability that it will be good to eat. The basic truth is that circumstances in which situations differ from each other may precisely be those that define their essential nature."

There’s a happy medium; we can take valid lessons from history without arguing that a current figure is going to repeat what a historical figure did beat-for-beat.

Your use of that quote suggests you have a false idea of what’s going on, though. The thought process isn’t “Trump has some passing similarities to Hitler, therefore Trump must be evil.” It’s “Trump has done things that are horrible in their own right already and promises to do new horrible things in the future, and the experience of Germany under Hitler may give an indication of the risks the US is facing right now.”

But I do agree that the analogy is counter-productive in one respect: it gives Trump supporters a chance to quibble over whether the analogy is perfect instead of coming to grips with the real harm - and IMO evil - they’re supporting: “Trump’s not like Hitler because Hitler didn’t care about the Mexicans or Muslims.” I’ve actually seen discussions about violently racist authoritarian groups who support Trump devolve into arguments about whether the economic policies these violent racists support could really be considered “fascist.” They neatly avoid coming face-to-face with the current harm and future danger that these groups represent.

The analogies - while often apt - allow those who don’t want to confront the real evil that’s being perpetrated right now wiggle room to pull the discussion away from the real issues.

I don’t know how much Canadian news you watch, but right now we’re dealing with a problem of refugee claimants sneaking into Canada from the US at random points along the border because they know that under our “safe third country” agreements, if they tried to claim asylum at an official port of entry, they’d be sent back to the US to claim asylum there.

What do you think would motivate Somali parents to try to hike to Quebec in the middle of winter, carrying their children, without proper cold weather clothing? It’s not some nebulous worry that Trump might turn into Hitler in the future; it’s real, concrete concerns about what the Trump regime is doing to refugees like them right now.

 

[Augustus]

Your use of that quote suggests you have a false idea of what’s going on, though. The thought process isn’t “Trump has some passing similarities to Hitler, therefore Trump must be evil.” It’s “Trump has done things that are horrible in their own right already and promises to do new horrible things in the future, and the experience of Germany under Hitler may give an indication of the risks the US is facing right now.”

Or perhaps you don't understand the quote as what I reject is that the 2 situations are analogous. Noting specious similarities between 2 situations is harmful to thought when they remain fundamentally different.

Do you think the economic, political, social and historical situation is comparable to 1930s Germany? Do you consider that the systems of checks and balances are comparable? Do you consider that Trump's attitude towards Muslims is comparable to that of Hitler regarding Jews? Do you consider it likely that Trump starts to implement a programme of industrialised Genocide against Muslims?

The analogies - while often apt - allow those who don’t want to confront the real evil that’s being perpetrated right now wiggle room to pull the discussion away from the real issues.

A winning formula: inane and counterproductive.

What do you think would motivate Somali parents to try to hike to Quebec in the middle of winter, carrying their children, without proper cold weather clothing? It’s not some nebulous worry that Trump might turn into Hitler in the future; it’s real, concrete concerns about what the Trump regime is doing to refugees like them right now.

Cracking down on illegal immigration, even in a harsh and unethical manner, should not be assumed to be the first step towards a genocide.

Deal with things on their own terms rather than hyperbolic Hitler analogies that have the effect of crying wolf.

 

[Revoltingest]

The similarity exists as there are number of source showing Hitler and Co. did look at the American legal system. Although this in no way means they needed nor copied anything from America and it's systems to create the Nuremburg laws. More so many of the references lack links to a political party. So one would need to cross reference the laws with voting records. James Whitmen has a recent book about it.

There will always be some similarities between the worst & the best governments.
People too often took at superficial ones. I suspect a political agenda there.

 

[Shad]

There will always be some similarities between the worst & the best governments.
People too often took at superficial ones. I suspect a political agenda there.

Yup. Hence why the book I talked about covers laws rather than specific party platforms. More so Northern Dems were often at odds with their Southern counterparts.

 

[Yerda]

@Nowhere Man

Which party do the the nazis prefer?

No ideas? Should I give you a clue?

 

[Milton Platt]

He's made some good points. It's no secret that Democrats have called for violence and in some cases had gotten violent already over political philosophy.

Trump Jr.: Democratic Party platform similar to Nazis' - CNNPolitics

Let the carnage of debate commence!

Neither party. Calling for violence (please provide the link, tho, cause I'm interested to read it) is not the exclusive domain of the Nazi party. I cannot think of a single government that has never called for violence at some point. Perhaps Switzerland and maybe Puerto Rico?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Neither party. Calling for violence (please provide the link, tho, cause I'm interested to read it) is not the exclusive domain of the Nazi party. I cannot think of a single government that has never called for violence at some point. Perhaps Switzerland and maybe Puerto Rico?

Maxine Waters called for confrontation. givin human nature, we know where that usually leads .

Maxine Waters encourages supporters to harass Trump administration officials - CNNPolitics

Hypocritical Democrats are advocating for violence in United States

Mind you this is the condition of acting like Nazis in terms of confrontation, by which the designation applies, not following Nazi (fascist) philosophy itself as some people have deluded themselves into thinking.

 

[Revoltingest]

Neither party. Calling for violence (please provide the link, tho, cause I'm interested to read it) is not the exclusive domain of the Nazi party. I cannot think of a single government that has never called for violence at some point. Perhaps Switzerland and maybe Puerto Rico?

The mayor of Portlandia recently denied police protection to ICE agents, their office, &
the building when anti-ICE protesters attacked. This is tacit encouragement of violence.

An interesting wrinkle....the landlord of the building housing the ICE office pays a lot of
property taxes. But for political reasons, the mayor decided to withhold police services
for him & his property. Perhaps he'd withhold fire protection too? This strikes me as a
significant escalation of the permissive environment for violence.

Breaking news....
Counter-protesters became involved, & now Portlandia's mayor allowed cops to disperse
the crowds.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Neither party. Calling for violence (please provide the link, tho, cause I'm interested to read it) is not the exclusive domain of the Nazi party. I cannot think of a single government that has never called for violence at some point. Perhaps Switzerland and maybe Puerto Rico?

Switzerland used to be uber violent, to the point that the rest of Europe basically got together to agree to stop using Swiss mercenaries against each other because they were too violent. I guess that leaves Puerto Rico.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Maxine Waters called for confrontation. givin human nature, we know where that usually leads .

Maxine Waters encourages supporters to harass Trump administration officials - CNNPolitics

Hypocritical Democrats are advocating for violence in United States

Mind you this is the condition of acting like Nazis in terms of confrontation, by which the designation applies, not following Nazi (fascist) philosophy itself as some people have deluded themselves into thinking.

So that's one. Any more?