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Which Religion is For Me?
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like i said on my first post, Buddhism would be the one im most inclined to join, but this is because of their views on opposites not imagination and consciousness, ive been overstanding the idea of opposites for a while now but the other 2 i cant find any sort of rational nor logical conclusion, therefor im looking for a spiritual one to fill the hole for now.
Orias
Left Hand Path
Well a lot of what you said seems pretty unstable. But I will attempt my best.
Satanism is represenation is the mind and the natural creations of the universe.
The meaning of the word 'baphomet' is absorption of knowledge, and Satanist's try to perfect the meaning behind the five points of the pentegram. I guess you could say it is along the lines of a 5%er philosophy, but Satanism is the philosophy of philosophy. For behind every meaning, there is a greater and deeper meaning than the previous.
The literal meaning behind Satan is Opposition or Advesary, and we (most of us anyways) apply this literally against opposing forces, to learn more and unveil a mask of ignorance. Though realizing that ignorance is universal, Satanists are mainly truth seekers, and will do anything to prove someone 'wrong' in the terms of philosophy, when really there is no 'wrong' or 'right' just opinion and self evident truth. Satanists mainly see a fallacy among faiths and like to point such things out. Though I do realize there is a lot of stubborn people set in their ways, there is not much you can do about it.
Instead of following a faith (believing in something no evidence of it's existence) Satanists follow themselves along the path of life, and conquest a journey within their mind and physical realm about them.
It is in my philosophy, that the mind is of Satanic origin, for the mind created the things man posseses, such as religion, technology and etc. Man either created, or improvised such materials from the raw fruits of the Earth.
Even Athiestic Satanists, like me, have a strong sense of spiritual guidance, for we endevour all obsticles and seek enlightenment of the deepest nature.
Though some of us believe that after death there is nothingness, we still have reason to love life, and strive to perfect the being of the inner mind and self conscious.
By questioning faiths and religion, Satanists gain a greater knowledge of the origins, the believes, and the 'brighter' side of what is thought among society, due to this, Satanists gain a higher level of knowledge and become more ambiguous in their approach to the aspects of life.
No Satanists tackles the same problem in the same way.
And contrary to popular belief, Satanism has nothing to do with sacrificing babies, or animals, or rape, murder, drug abuse, alchohol abuse, and etc.
Satanists know that these things happen, and they accept the fact that chaos is a strong force among the order of the universe.
The key word here is dominance, and all will is striving to achieve some form of dominance, be it in physical or mental form. Realizing that the will of others is constantly forced upon others, the dominant figure will always end up on top, unless that figure is dominated by another.
Look among the natural aspects of life and the animals that roam the Earth. No two animals may be exactly alike, but they do share the same instincts, survive by any means necessary, and reproduce.
It is key to us that we acknowledge the natural existence of things among the Earth.
Quod natura non sunt turpia---What is natural cannot be bad.
Though two things may be exact opposites, they may not be good or bad, though many would consider the opposing force bad or evil.
Realize that among the peace and creations of the Earth and universe there is destruction and havoc also. But there can be no creation without a destruction first.
For example, an exploding supernovae star may destroy the solar system in which it dwells, but after the destruction occurs a nebula is created and within that nebula there is a nursery of stars, planets, and life.
Just like to make a parking lot, you must destroy and dig up the land on which you wish to plot the pavement.
Satanists acknowledge all things in life, and try to learn from everything they can, they study the emotions they feel which seems to magnify the effect.
Satanists are capable of a stronger love than a Christian, but they may also be capable of a weaker hate than a Christian.
Satan represents indulgence over abstinence...how can you experience without doing? You cannot know the feeling of sex unless you perform it, which some seem to think that you can experience from not doing, such as in school, where the experiences are taught and not experienced. It is up to the individual to experience and explore the universal order.
Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams...while many people may look forward to the 'after-life', some don't value the existing life they may have. And with no prove of a life after death, Satanists highly value the being in which they exist, they strive to accomplish, over come, and satisfy every need and want in their life.
Proclaim the Original Sin, or existence and accept the value of life, yet deny what has been given you, and desire more of what is to come.
Satan represents man as another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all fours, who because of his 'divine spiritual and intellectual development' has become the most vicious animal of all.
Man uses the power of manipulation and deciet pretty frequently, as 'Devil's Advocates' lay within religion, Government and Science.
As all things were came from the mind, the greater mind can trick the weaker or younger state into believing something that isn't there in order to gain power and wealth.
For example
The Church in the medeavil era controlled who knew how to read and write, the only ones who could read and write were those dedicated to the church. They feared that if a greater knowledge who saw through their ploy published his writings, the church would lose power. Hence the great inquisition, and slaughtering and torture of thousands of people, some which dedicated their life to the church.
Satanists see through stupidity and tactical insidious ploys and counter with the malignance of their own nature.
Among other things, Satanists realize that fear is a natural part of life. So they do fear indeed, but they also cause fear among the people, and they turn into the fear and the knowledge that they behold.
Realize the life is bound to die, and along with birth there is the curse of death. Birth comes with the burden of many wounds, and Satanists, even smart people in general, learn from what has happened and create a new and more opportune setting for their next course.
Though they say opportunity makes a theif, this may not always be the case, for you cannot steal what is not owned.
I could keep going but my fingers are getting numb...I was hope I was elaborate enough, and you could understand what I was trying to say.
In the end, the mind of nature is the natural creator of all faith, religion, and spirituality and divinity.
The mind inside is true divine, though not infinite, the universe within it is however. And all people have a unique universe and creation in their own mind.
We are within a universe, but a universe is within us. We create the God's, therefore we are somewhat 'Gods' ourselves, for even God's can die too.
to be fair i was hoping for loads of religious nuts to preach to me about what my consciousness and imagination is, i think i was hoping i might feel contempt in myself for a while that no-one else has a clue either 
or maybe there's a possibility someone does overstand their consciousness or imagination?
or maybe there's a possibility someone does overstand their consciousness or imagination?
Orias
Left Hand Path
I would like to think I do at least. I realize that no one can truly understand anyone but themselves.
Your choice to decide will not bother me, I am just putting what I think out on the table, and any new LHP member is welcome.
There is a lot of smart people on these forums, but there is also alot of stubborn and preachy people as well.
Your choice to decide will not bother me, I am just putting what I think out on the table, and any new LHP member is welcome
.There is a lot of smart people on these forums, but there is also alot of stubborn and preachy people as well.
@Orias your post was very interesting and you did a very good job presenting your religion and religious views, there was certain parts i particulaly related too and others that drifted a bit, i especially liked the ideas of
"For behind every meaning, there is a greater and deeper meaning than the previous.(1)"
"It is in my philosophy, that the mind is of Satanic origin, for the mind created the things man posseses, such as religion, technology and etc(2)"
"while many people may look forward to the 'after-life', some don't value the existing life they may have(3)"
"It is key to us that we acknowledge the natural existence of things among the Earth(4)"
"Though two things may be exact opposites, they may not be good or bad, though many would consider the opposing force bad or evil.(5)"
(1) - seems to me to logics, this conforms to my beliefs of logic
(2) - seems a philisophical statement along the lines of "i think therefor i am" mind over matter etc etc, this too conforms to my beliefs
(3) - seems a religious dig, but very true, alot of other religions almost bribe there believers into belief using this fallacy(if it is one?) yet if only all religions could comprehend a real heaven on earth, this conforms to my idealisms
(4)- seems you are acknowledging the role of science here, that is ovcourse if science can ever explain the fullness of nature in all vastness, i have no doubt it will eventually as it has done such a good job in short time already, nature and science is also a large part of my belief structure
(5) - seems like yin and yang or close, opposites exists so that we can see both sides, the good and bad, the black and white, the up and down, the happy and sad, to me this is very important because Phycologically i actually think opposites give a rich account of perception, again one of my core beliefs
all this being said, i didnt see anything specific on consciousness or imagination, unless you want to class consciousness as philosophy but for argument sake i would prefer to classify it as a higher state of self awareness as well as any philosophical attributes that go with it, i picked up on 4 of my core beliefs from your description of your religion (again a very good presentation) but unless your religion has something particular to say about consciousness and imagination then im still for sale, also, your religion is called satanist, i could live with the name but obviously i would like to know what god you worship, nature? satan? the idealisms and metaphors for which satan exists as? maybe you personally have no god of worship? this interests me on more of an intellectual level rather than spiritual because i believe worship is pointless but any information on this would be helpful?
"For behind every meaning, there is a greater and deeper meaning than the previous.(1)"
"It is in my philosophy, that the mind is of Satanic origin, for the mind created the things man posseses, such as religion, technology and etc(2)"
"while many people may look forward to the 'after-life', some don't value the existing life they may have(3)"
"It is key to us that we acknowledge the natural existence of things among the Earth(4)"
"Though two things may be exact opposites, they may not be good or bad, though many would consider the opposing force bad or evil.(5)"
(1) - seems to me to logics, this conforms to my beliefs of logic
(2) - seems a philisophical statement along the lines of "i think therefor i am" mind over matter etc etc, this too conforms to my beliefs
(3) - seems a religious dig, but very true, alot of other religions almost bribe there believers into belief using this fallacy(if it is one?) yet if only all religions could comprehend a real heaven on earth, this conforms to my idealisms
(4)- seems you are acknowledging the role of science here, that is ovcourse if science can ever explain the fullness of nature in all vastness, i have no doubt it will eventually as it has done such a good job in short time already, nature and science is also a large part of my belief structure
(5) - seems like yin and yang or close, opposites exists so that we can see both sides, the good and bad, the black and white, the up and down, the happy and sad, to me this is very important because Phycologically i actually think opposites give a rich account of perception, again one of my core beliefs
all this being said, i didnt see anything specific on consciousness or imagination, unless you want to class consciousness as philosophy but for argument sake i would prefer to classify it as a higher state of self awareness as well as any philosophical attributes that go with it, i picked up on 4 of my core beliefs from your description of your religion (again a very good presentation) but unless your religion has something particular to say about consciousness and imagination then im still for sale, also, your religion is called satanist, i could live with the name but obviously i would like to know what god you worship, nature? satan? the idealisms and metaphors for which satan exists as? maybe you personally have no god of worship? this interests me on more of an intellectual level rather than spiritual because i believe worship is pointless but any information on this would be helpful?
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Orias
Left Hand Path
I am athiestic in belief, I worship no dieties, I only value thyself.
As for the imagination, any mental process can lead to a greater understanding. Realizing what man has that the Earth did not give him, was created under the intuitive mind of man.
I would advise against following idealism though, for the world in which we live cannot be exaggerated into a fanatical reality, which most religions try to do, fantasize death.
Satanism is all about consciousness observance and creative thought processes, we learn from what we teach, and learn from what we create.
Orias
Left Hand Path
Take your nonsense elsewhere, this is no place for forcing perceptions down upon a stronger willed mind.
Well, I think that it is important that you study in depth various religions if you are intent on dedicating your life to one. It is no small matter.
If you are interested in notions of consciousness then an eastern religion is probably more likely to satisfy you. Hinduism deals deeply with Consciousness. Particularly the idea that everything is ultimately Consciousness and the individual (the soul) is in fact consciousness. The soul (self) is not the body. Another important concept is that God is Everything and that even you are a part of God's energy (consciousness). God did not 'give you' imagination. Creativity is part of God's nature and thus part of your own nature. God doesn't give us things. He/she/it is not an interfering entity. He/she/it is everything- the creator and the created. As for free will, it is considered that there is such a thing but we are so caught up by karma that in many ways we have very limited free will. I sometimes wonder if free will is just part of the illusion (maya).
Orias
Left Hand Path
I will believe in free will when a person can be homosexual at will. The mind is of God, so of course we part of it's 'energy', for we created what is 'God'.
Prove the existence of a soul
and the 'positive' and 'negative' energies.Consciousness is the mind of an aware person, they don't have to be part of God to be aware of life.
@dogsgod im already burning in hell and your gods got nothing to say about the matter, watch him watch me starve to death and then try tell me this. or watch your god watch your daughter get raped, i mean he's omnipresent RIGHT?, im not looking for god, im looking for answers about spirituality, consciousness and imagination, to be honest i look at god every time i pass the mirror and he always smiles back
@Orias your religion seems to be on top of the thinking game, it seems almost a philosophy rather than a religion, but i do have a particular interest in imagination, it seemed to have naturally occurred to me that imagination may be a small spark of its greatness, of our greatness, a combined consciousness, but i don't feel i can fully grasp the concept alone, hence the need to ask for assistance from the spiritually enlightened, you say you are an athiest? i dont fully understand the idea of walking around tagging yourself as a satanist if you you dont believe in satan or any omnipotent, omnipresent or omniscient being, see me, i currently dont believe in any invented god, but i can allow my imagination to create something greater than myself, something i, in my head, would call god, but too me that is the only thing that links me to religion and maybe the fact that i am very philosophical which relates strongly to ethics and morals in religion but the point is if your a satanist how can you be an atheist and what do you believe to be god?
@Orias your religion seems to be on top of the thinking game, it seems almost a philosophy rather than a religion, but i do have a particular interest in imagination, it seemed to have naturally occurred to me that imagination may be a small spark of its greatness, of our greatness, a combined consciousness, but i don't feel i can fully grasp the concept alone, hence the need to ask for assistance from the spiritually enlightened, you say you are an athiest? i dont fully understand the idea of walking around tagging yourself as a satanist if you you dont believe in satan or any omnipotent, omnipresent or omniscient being, see me, i currently dont believe in any invented god, but i can allow my imagination to create something greater than myself, something i, in my head, would call god, but too me that is the only thing that links me to religion and maybe the fact that i am very philosophical which relates strongly to ethics and morals in religion but the point is if your a satanist how can you be an atheist and what do you believe to be god?
Orias
Left Hand Path
Well Satanism is a philosophy, a religion to theistic Satanists, but to me it is a way of life. It is not a concept you can grab onto in one night.
Like I said, I am Satanic, because I am of Satanic nature, I am the opposition or advesary of what is out there, I am willing to challenge any creationists even scientist, though science is also of Satanic nature I believe.
Morals and ethics are just ways of explaining human behavior, which seems to exclude all other animals. I chose not to believe in 'morals', I think we just are what we are, we kill, we love, we die etc. That is really all that is to it.
In a sense of physical dimensions, the Universe and Stars are God, because we are here because of a star that went supernovae after all
. We are childeren of the universe, the very decendants of stars, the dust of the stars gave birth to the dust of the Earth (and the Earth of course) and the life in which we know.We were born into existence only knowing life, all these things we come up with come from the deepest and most extravagent part of the mind.
When it comes to down the mental state, the mind is God, for the mind created all forms of God's and all states in which we exist in the parallel.
I will believe in free will when a person can be homosexual at will. The mind is of God, so of course we part of it's 'energy', for we created what is 'God'.
Prove the existence of a soul
Consciousness is the mind of an aware person, they don't have to be part of God to be aware of life.
I'm not here to debate with you or convince you of anything. If you have questions, refer to the Hindu DIR.
Orias
Left Hand Path
This is a debate thread. Back out if you wish, but I don't want what the others think, you are unique in your fashion and believe, I want to know what you know.
@Madhuri thanks for your contributions you tackled the problem head on and gave me a few good suggestions, however i would say that Hinduism makes it a little easy by saying god is everything, i would be looking for some definition of a particular being of some sort as a god, or maker, or whatever, its a little too vague to say god is everything, its a little like saying e=mc2, ermmm no Einstein energy isnt infinite or we wouldn't be using oil to make it...and anti-matter wouldnt be able to destroy something thats infinite, physics aside the point im trying to make is, defining god as everything doesn't really get any truth out of the situation more over i think it will put your mind at ease
I wouldn't say that my beliefs are unique. I consider he Vedic scriptures to be the greatest authority and get my ideas from a range of sources.
I replied to this thread to offer suggestions to the OP, not to debate that my religions is the right one or the Absolute Truth. If my intention was to try and convince the OP that my way is the right way then a challenging response would certainly be waranted.
If you are curious about Hinduism, there are some very knowledgeable members here that would be willing to explain concepts and reasons for our beliefs in the DIR. Or you could start a debate somewhere. It would be more appropriate.
I understand, although most people are likely to tell you that it is impossible to fully comprehend the nature of God as God is infinite and humans have such limited knowledge and understanding. However, there is certainly more information about the Hindu God concept (or concepts) that can be explained.
I would suggest though that you pose a question in the Hindu DIR if you wish to know more and get some in-depth responses from a variety of perspectives