Which Religion is For Me?

[Orias]

Well then if you read the posts, then you should also agree that the "I am basically for sale" was not literal, but rather being open to what others have to inform him of. He did not take it in the context of, tell me your religions and I will abide by whatever one sounds the best, he is open for ideas and critisizm.

There is more behind his words than you have seen.

 

[Noaidi]

Orias

I just felt you were giving him the 'hard sell'. Apologies if I offended you.

 

[Orias]

No offense taken.

I was simply stating that he is here for his research, when others have claimed that he is not, and he is here to be 'sold' on religion, when that in itself is doing research.

He just wants to get closer to 'knowing', like everyone else.

Though most people treat life as an enigmatic puzzle that needs to be solved.

 

[Noaidi]

He just wants to get closer to 'knowing', like everyone else.

True. That's what we're all here for, I suppose.

 

[Orias]

I am glad you see.

However I just like to debate with people.

I don't find a mystery in existence.

 

[EverChanging]

You should probably look to science to understand consciousness, not religion. Religion has its place, and I'm not saying that a religious tradition can't shed light on consciousness. For instance, Buddhist meditation can be a very good tool to explore consciousness....

But it is the scientific method that will give us data on this. Religions might offer answers or explanations, but when religion tries to dictate facts instead of letting science deal with those, it has stepped outside of its realm.

 

[Orias]

I agree, but why does the meditation have to be Buddhist? Consciousness deals with the conscious part of existence, any form of spirituality will help him in that sense.

 

[coolkeg]

i wasnt ever for sale, no religion would ever be able to answer my question, i already knew the outcome, a good debate on important subjects that link me to spirituality and possibly religion, Orias was right, i am here to gain knowledge on different religions and beliefs relative to imagination and consciousness, this is because i believe these 2 subjects most important when dealing with spirituality, however on the small chance a religion did live up to my expectations then i may have converted, it was never really likely though.

 

[Madhuri]

You should probably look to science to understand consciousness, not religion. Religion has its place, and I'm not saying that a religious tradition can't shed light on consciousness. For instance, Buddhist meditation can be a very good tool to explore consciousness....

But it is the scientific method that will give us data on this. Religions might offer answers or explanations, but when religion tries to dictate facts instead of letting science deal with those, it has stepped outside of its realm.

But science can only explain the mterial. It's great if that is your goal, although consciousness is a rather mysterious subject in science too. If one believes in Spirit, then science cannot answer questions about consciousness.

 

[Orias]

But science can only explain the mterial. It's great if that is your goal, although consciousness is a rather mysterious subject in science too. If one believes in Spirit, then science cannot answer questions about consciousness.

All animals are spiritual...

 

[Madhuri]

All animals are spiritual...

What is your point?

 

[Orias]

Why can't science explain the conscious?

Isn't science of the conscious?

 

[Madhuri]

Why can't science explain the conscious?

Isn't science of the conscious?

Science only deals with the physical. It can explain consciousness in relation to the physical brain. Science will posit that there is no more than the physical but if someone (like the OP) ask questions in context of religion and spirituality, then this is an area that lies beyong physical science, because it delves into the Spiritual.

 

[Orias]

Science only deals with the physical. It can explain consciousness in relation to the physical brain. Science will posit that there is no more than the physical but if someone (like the OP) ask questions in context of religion and spirituality, then this is an area that lies beyong physical science, because it delves into the Spiritual.

Ahh I see, but the physicallity of the mind dwells within it's own research.

Spiritual consciousness.

 

[Madhuri]

Ahh I see, but the physicallity of the mind dwells within it's own research.

Spiritual consciousness.

Well, Matter is derived from Spirit but nonetheless, science deals only with matter.

 

[Orias]

I know, but it still has the ability to consciouslly observe and percieve the conscious.

But that seems more like psychology...isn't that a form of science though ?

 

[Madhuri]

I know, but it still has the ability to consciouslly observe and percieve the conscious.

But that seems more like psychology...isn't that a form of science though ?

Science, or rather people, observe the conscious but with a perception that the conscious is only physical.

Psychology is indeed scientific. Still though, it deals with physical influences only.

 

[Orias]

Ahh, I see.

But how can psychology deal with physical influences, when the diagnosis are mental?

I guess I see what you are trying say, but you don't need religion to be spiritual or consciously imaginative.

 

[Madhuri]

Ahh, I see.

But how can psychology deal with physical influences, when the diagnosis are mental?

I guess I see what you are trying say, but you don't need religion to be spiritual or consciously imaginative.

Because the mind is also physical. The mind is part of the body. Consciousness is different to the mind.

I agree that one does not need religion in order to be spiritual.

 

[Orias]

Well yes but conscious ability is able to observe itself, and is one with the mind. The brain is physical, but the ideas and concepts and spirituality of the mind may not be, but in the universal realm of things they are physical and dimensional, yet consciously separate, but within the mind.



Big run on sentence...but I hope you understand what I am trying to say.