Whistleblower Revels Facebook Misleading The Public

[esmith]

According to a story on CBS 60 min, Frances Haugen says that Facebook is misleading the public on progress against hate speech, violence, misinformation. In addition Facebook's Instagram harms teenage girls
Whistleblower: Facebook is misleading the public on progress against hate speech, violence, misinformation

 

[lewisnotmiller]

According to a story on CBS 60 min, Frances Haugen says that Facebook is misleading the public on progress against hate speech, violence, misinformation. In addition Facebook's Instagram harms teenage girls
Whistleblower: Facebook is misleading the public on progress against hate speech, violence, misinformation

I was listening to someone else talking about this just the other day.
*tries to think*

Oh...Tristan Harris, on Real Time. Basically spoke about how Facebook's optimisation engine promotes content based on what will get attention, without regard for what is damaging.
Sounds like a soulless and odious place.

How Facebook Feeds Your Outrage | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO) (latenightfeud.com)

 

[sun rise]

Of course it would be nice if people who have this problem with Facebook would also acknowledge the deliberate misleading of the public that some right wing politicians, Fox and other outlets do every day.

 

[Revoltingest]

Of course it would be nice if people who have this problem with Facebook would also acknowledge the deliberate misleading of the public that some right wing politicians, Fox and other outlets do every day.

Wouldn't it be nice if those who have problems with Fox
News would also object when liberal outlets mislead?

 

[ecco]

According to a story on CBS 60 min, Frances Haugen says that Facebook is misleading the public on progress against hate speech, violence, misinformation. In addition Facebook's Instagram harms teenage girls

Facebook is doing nothing illegal. If people want tighter controls (whatever that may mean) they should encourage Congress to pass legislation.

Of course it would be nice if people who have this problem with Facebook would also acknowledge the deliberate misleading of the public that some right wing politicians, Fox and other outlets do every day.

This is part of Facebook's argument; "We can put in tighter controls but if the competition doesn't also, we are left at a competitive disadvantage."

Now, do we really see Congress cracking down on Fox and OAN and other right-wing outlets? Nah!

 

[exchemist]

I was listening to someone else talking about this just the other day.
*tries to think*

Oh...Tristan Harris, on Real Time. Basically spoke about how Facebook's optimisation engine promotes content based on what will get attention, without regard for what is damaging.
Sounds like a soulless and odious place.

How Facebook Feeds Your Outrage | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO) (latenightfeud.com)

Mark Zuckerberg is a lizard.

 

[exchemist]

Facebook is doing nothing illegal. If people want tighter controls (whatever that may mean) they should encourage Congress to pass legislation.



This is part of Facebook's argument; "We can put in tighter controls but if the competition doesn't also, we are left at a competitive disadvantage."

Now, do we really see Congress cracking down on Fox and OAN and other right-wing outlets? Nah!

I think that argument is a bit specious, to be honest. The issue, surely, is the way Faecebook's algorithms work to reinforce silos and obsessions. A broadcast medium doesn't work in this insidious way. If you watch Fux, you have made a choice to go in for far right conspiracies and white supremacist dogwhistling. Teenage girls don't choose to watch stuff that makes them feel unhappy. It's a resultant of them watching material they have selected for other reasons which has that effect on them.

 

[JustGeorge]

Teenage girls don't choose to watch stuff that makes them feel unhappy. It's a resultant of them watching material they have selected for other reasons which has that effect on them.

That's not true. When I was a teenage girl, I watched all kinds of things that made me unhappy. If I had had a FB page, I bet it would have been filled with unhappiness!

I guess its best to realize any source you use is going to have some bias. Best to figure out what it is so you can be aware.

I don't use FB because it was a hot mess, generally speaking. I have enough hot messes I have no choice over. Best to avoid the ones I can.

 

[exchemist]

That's not true. When I was a teenage girl, I watched all kinds of things that made me unhappy. If I had had a FB page, I bet it would have been filled with unhappiness!

I guess its best to realize any source you use is going to have some bias. Best to figure out what it is so you can be aware.

I don't use FB because it was a hot mess, generally speaking. I have enough hot messes I have no choice over. Best to avoid the ones I can.

But did you watch it in order to feel unhappy? Really?

 

[JustGeorge]

But did you watch it in order to feel unhappy? Really?

Probably, knowing me. (I had depression as a youngster.)

 

[exchemist]

Probably, knowing me. (I had depression as a youngster.)

Blimey. There's nowt so queer as folk, eh?

 

[Twilight Hue]

According to a story on CBS 60 min, Frances Haugen says that Facebook is misleading the public on progress against hate speech, violence, misinformation. In addition Facebook's Instagram harms teenage girls
Whistleblower: Facebook is misleading the public on progress against hate speech, violence, misinformation

It's all about the money baby.

 

[metis]

Personally, I never get my news from Fb, and I'm only on it 10-15 minutes in the morning and that's to connect with family and friends that I rarely ever see. I know it can be addictive, especially to children, and I definitely feel Fb needs to be investigated so as least to see what may be able to be done to make it less of a threat especially to our children.

Yes, they are a private company, and yes they have 1st Amendment protection, but they also should be pressured into protecting our children and countering or eliminating hate speech.

 

[F1fan]

And Facebook is down, globally. LOL. Wow, that is fantastic.

60 Minutes 1
Facebook 0

 

[F1fan]

Facebook is doing nothing illegal. If people want tighter controls (whatever that may mean) they should encourage Congress to pass legislation.

It seems the issue is how social media fits in with the social contract. That is a wild west thing that is having a lot of wins and losses, but the losses are avoidable, and it seems some of what could be avoided is being allowed because profits can be made. Greed is a vice for a reason.

 

[ecco]

Teenage girls don't choose to watch stuff that makes them feel unhappy.

My comment was not based on the problems teenage girls may have. It was on the effects of misinformation on things like COVID, vaccines, the Big election lie, Pizzagate, QAnon, etc.

These issues exist on social media as well the Foxs and OANs.

 

[ecco]

It seems the issue is how social media fits in with the social contract. That is a wild west thing that is having a lot of wins and losses, but the losses are avoidable, and it seems some of what could be avoided is being allowed because profits can be made. Greed is a vice for a reason.

Sure, but why single out one company? Fox and OAN are as bad and worse. Talking heads like Alex Jones are the bottom of the snake pit.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Of course it would be nice if people who have this problem with Facebook would also acknowledge the deliberate misleading of the public that some right wing politicians, Fox and other outlets do every day.

Like I did in another thread recently, you mean?
I learnt how to chew gum AND walk at the same time, and can find Fox information misleading as well as Facebook.

This seems like 'What-about-ism'...

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Sure, but why single out one company? Fox and OAN are as bad and worse. Talking heads like Alex Jones are the bottom of the snake pit.

Because of reach and impact.
90% of Facebook users aren't in the US, and measures of how Facebook algorithms impact on content and perception are actually worse in non-US countries due to the relatively lower levels of content checking which occurs.

OAN suggest their viewership is a couple of hundred thousand (which seems ridiculously overstated, but whatever).

Facebook has 2.89 billion active users.

If Facebook sneezes, the world gets a cold.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Facebook is doing nothing illegal. If people want tighter controls (whatever that may mean) they should encourage Congress to pass legislation.

Yeah...so...I'm not sure where this weird idea came from that we shouldn't disapprove of anything that's not illegal.
I'm quite capable of disapproving of something, even if it is legal.

Part of the issue here is that it's almost impossible for the law to stay ahead of technology.

This is part of Facebook's argument; "We can put in tighter controls but if the competition doesn't also, we are left at a competitive disadvantage."

Their style of argument is reminiscent of Phillip Morris.

Now, do we really see Congress cracking down on Fox and OAN and other right-wing outlets? Nah!

Then let's just give up?