White Supremacy and Christianity

[Jayhawker Soule]

Searching for a rationale behind KKK 'theology' strikes me as a curious waste of time.

 

[Enoch07]

Where does he/she say that? It's just about the KKK not Christians in general.

Then why bring up Christians at all. Why not just say white supremacist or the KKK solely? They made the connection not me.

 

[robocop (actually)]

So I watched a documentary about the KKK on netflix a while back and it got me thinking about a couple of things. Manley because majority of the people they showed on the documentary were fervent believers in God. They even held a 'church service' so to speak.

But that really doesn't make sense. Because the Christian-Judaeo God really favors the Jewish people. There's a whole part of the bible in which he demands the death of anyone who tries to oppose his people. Also the fact that their savior is descended from a long line of Jewish family. Since they hate people of Jewish decent too.

So does anyone have a opinion on the matter. I'm only asking because I'm curious.

This thread bothers me. Christians are the most persecuted and most shrinking of the major religions, not the other way around!

 

[Augustus]

Then why bring up Christians at all. Why not just say white supremacist or the KKK solely? They made the connection not me.

I think they were trying to highlight the incongruence between being a Jew hating white supremacist and also a follower of a religion founded by a Jew, and were wondering how these KKK people managed to rationalise away this problem.

 

[Rival]

I think they were trying to highlight the incongruence between being a Jew hating white supremacist and also a follower of a religion founded by a Jew, and were wondering how these KKK people managed to rationalise away this problem.

Simple. The anti-Semitism in the Christian Scriptures that has been used to justify Jew-hatred for centuries.

 

[BSM1]

So I watched a documentary about the KKK on netflix a while back and it got me thinking about a couple of things. Manley because majority of the people they showed on the documentary were fervent believers in God. They even held a 'church service' so to speak.

But that really doesn't make sense. Because the Christian-Judaeo God really favors the Jewish people. There's a whole part of the bible in which he demands the death of anyone who tries to oppose his people. Also the fact that their savior is descended from a long line of Jewish family. Since they hate people of Jewish decent too.

So does anyone have a opinion on the matter. I'm only asking because I'm curious.

Your first mistake is trying to attribute any rationality to the thinking of the average Klansman. Trust me, anyone who joins this abomination should automatically be arrested and tried for a new crime--"Criminal Ignorance and/or Stupidity". Someone posted that when they run out of people to hate then they will start hating themselves. There is a lot of truth in that statement.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Simple. The anti-Semitism in the Christian Scriptures that has been used to justify Jew-hatred for centuries.

There has been hate of Jews and pogroms, however this is only supported through ignorance of scriptures. The Tanach can be used on its own to justify pogroms and can be considered anti semitic. Its all about who holds it.

 

[Revoltingest]

So I watched a documentary about the KKK on netflix a while back and it got me thinking about a couple of things. Manley because majority of the people they showed on the documentary were fervent believers in God. They even held a 'church service' so to speak.

But that really doesn't make sense. Because the Christian-Judaeo God really favors the Jewish people. There's a whole part of the bible in which he demands the death of anyone who tries to oppose his people. Also the fact that their savior is descended from a long line of Jewish family. Since they hate people of Jewish decent too.

So does anyone have a opinion on the matter. I'm only asking because I'm curious.

This might be interesting.....
What happened when a Klansman met a black man in Charlottesville - CNN

 

[Rival]

There has been hate of Jews and pogroms, however this is only supported through ignorance of scriptures. The Tanach can be used on its own to justify pogroms and can be considered anti semitic. Its all about who holds it.

What are you talking about? The Christian testament contains lines such as:

you testify against yourselves that you are descendants of those who murdered the prophets...You snakes, you brood of vipers! How can you escape being sentenced to hell?

I know that you are descendants of Abraham; yet you seek to kill me, because my word finds no place in you. I speak of what I have seen with my Father, and you do what you have heard from your father. They answered him, "Abraham is our father." Jesus said to them, "If you were Abraham's children, you would do what Abraham did. ... You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. But, because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Which of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me? He who is of God hears the words of God; the reason why you do not hear them is you are not of God.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So does anyone have a opinion on the matter. I'm only asking because I'm curious.

I don't know exactly how many, but a fairly common trait of the racist Christian is to assume the Curse of Ham created black people, and they tend to latch onto things not being allowed to mix. This includes the Klan.
Racemixing is Not Christian | Kinsman Redeemer Ministries
Straight from the horse's mouth.

In seeking to determine what the Bible teaches, it is necessary to start at the beginning. Nobody can squirm around the basic premise of Adam and Eve being of the same race. I don't know of any versions that say they were the first two Orientals or Negroes. History depicts them as White. Christian Identity further identifies them by rightly dividing the word Adam, which means man. Strong's Concordance elaborates on this kind of man (#119, 120) being ruddy, to show blood in the face, i.e. to blush or turn rosy. From Thomas O'Brien's book "Verboten" we glean from his commentary that, "Even the ability to blush (show blood in the face) is confined to the White race
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The colored races, not having been endowed with God's Spirit, have no abstract sense of right or wrong, consequently are never embarrassed." It is a misnomer to call other races or species mankind. In the book of Genesis, God's Law of kind after kind was established, meaning species. The Bible we have in our hands today repeatedly teaches about 'seed after its own kind' in which each and every species of plants and animals propagate within their own kind. In the case of Adamkind, it is clearly the White race. The Bible interprets itself by declaring that "This is the book of the generations of Adam" (Gen. 5:1). Generations means the genetic posterity.
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Obviously there were other races as we read about the first case of Adam's seed being polluted with Cain, a cursed murderer of his brother. Cain was purged from Eden and moved "east of Eden" (which would have been in and among the Mongolian people), to a non-Adamic land filled with non-Adamites. He then produced the first mongrel offspring named Enoch. From the time of Adam and Eve to the time of Noah, race mixing became epidemic, and God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth. This sin of race mixing is so serious that God killed the offenders. However, there was one man and his family that found grace in the eyes of the Lord, who was perfect in his generations; in other words, he was racially pure. The result of all this race mixing was corruption and violence (Genesis 6:11). The narrative establishes a paramount theme that runs throughout the Bible: race mixing is not Christian.
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The problem again arises with the twin boys, Jacob and Esau, fulfilling their separate destinies from the time of their birth. History also shows that whenever these people sought to integrate and intermarry, the results were always the same: violence, confusion and judgment from God. On the other hand, when they lived separately as God ordered, each respectively lived in harmony apart from each other. History also shows that whenever the racially pure offspring of Jacob failed to assume their God-mandated office of taking dominion and administering God's Laws, conversely allowing the offspring of Esau to occupy and determine the law of the land, there has been nothing but trouble, chaos and God's judgment. Destruction of White Christian civilization is the primary purpose of the jewish drive towards racial amalgamation.
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Esau would corrupt his racial line by marrying into another race, which was strictly forbidden. He took a wife of the Hittites which was "a grief of mind" to his parents. "And Isaac called Jacob, and blessed him, and charged him, and said unto him, Thou shalt not take a wife of the daughters of Canaan" (Gen.28:1). This command not to marry into another race was the same one given by Abraham concerning Isaac, where he told his son to find his wife in his country and among his kindred (his own kind). Deuteronomy 32:8 clearly states that God separated the races, "When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when He separated the sons of Adam, He set the bounds [borderlines] of the people according to the number of the children of Israel."
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Race mixing is equal to racial extermination. The race war against White people is waged primarily by the most mongrelized people on the face of the earth…. Jews. For 2000 years they have been devising slow and fast, direct and indirect ways of death for our race.
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Let's get back to Moses and his wife. "And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married, for he had married an Ethiopian woman" Numbers 12:1. Any concordance, such as Strong's, translates "Ethiopian as being #3569, meaning "A Cu****e [a resident of Cush], or a descendant of Cush." Who was Cush? Noah had three sons: Shem, Ham and Japhet. Genesis 10:6 informs us that the sons of Ham were Cush, Mizraim, Phut and Canaan. Noah and his wife were both racially pure White people, so their children were naturally the same. Only Canaan and his descendants were cursed.
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Let us now confront the canard of Miriam and Aaron accusing Moses of race mixing. It is true that Moses married a woman who was not an Israelite. However, she was not only White, but also a descendant of Abraham, the great grandfather of Jacob-Israel. So this matter of Zipporah can't be used as a justification for race mixing. Moses did not marry outside of his race; he married outside of his geographic location of national Israel. His brother Aaron and his sister Miriam taunted Moses about his marriage outside their territorial perimeters of Israel's culture. "And they said, hath the Lord indeed spoken only by Moses? Hath he not spoken also by us? And the Lord heard it" Numbers 12:2. Oops! If Moses was such a big bad race mixer, don't you think this would be the accusation instead? ... "Ah, Lord we have a major problem here with Moses breaking your Law and race mixing." Is that what we hear? No. What is in the Bible is sniveling mixed with jealousy and murmuring covetousness. God then calls the two on the carpet. It would seem that if Moses was in fact a race mixer, the burning bush would turn him into toast;
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Only a fool would now try to debate this message. For those who get it, you may now laugh. For those who still just don't get it: you bring shame, disgrace and chastisement to the White race.

That's basically what you're dealing with. A group who gets loony over inserting whiteness into the Bible.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

This might be interesting.....
What happened when a Klansman met a black man in Charlottesville - CNN

I watched his thingy on Netflix, and it was very fascinating I thought.

 

[Brickjectivity]

What are you talking baout? The Christian testament contains lines such as:

you testify against yourselves that you are descendants of those who murdered the prophets...You snakes, you brood of vipers! How can you escape being sentenced to hell?

Self criticism has always been part of the Jewish prophetic process. The canonical prophets are no less accusative and say similar things, and I have seen posters right here in this forum twist their words to justify antisemitic positions, just using words from Isaiah or Jeremiah or from Deuteronomy. I have heard it is said by Jewish sages that when some people hold a Tanach its not a Tanach.

I know that you are descendants of Abraham; yet you seek to kill me, because my word finds no place in you. I speak of what I have seen with my Father, and you do what you have heard from your father. They answered him, "Abraham is our father." Jesus said to them, "If you were Abraham's children, you would do what Abraham did. ... You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. But, because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Which of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me? He who is of God hears the words of God; the reason why you do not hear them is you are not of God.

Its in the Jewish tradition of self criticism. Look at any of the prophets. Flip here to Micah 1:5 "All this is because of Jacob’s transgression, because of the sins of the people of Israel. What is Jacob’s transgression? Is it not Samaria? What is Judah’s high place? Is it not Jerusalem?" Micah is using the term 'Jacob' the father of all Jews, yet its not considered antisemitism. Antisemites seek any kind of slander, and they will co-opt these kinds of passages to build a fallacy claiming that Jews are evil. Its a Jewish passage, treasured by Jews; filled with accusations against themselves.

 

[pearl]

But that really doesn't make sense. Because the Christian-Judaeo God really favors the Jewish people.

Its an American thing. The Klan's hatred for Jews and blacks is matched by its hatred for Catholics.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

So I watched a documentary about the KKK on netflix a while back and it got me thinking about a couple of things. Manley because majority of the people they showed on the documentary were fervent believers in God. They even held a 'church service' so to speak.

But that really doesn't make sense. Because the Christian-Judaeo God really favors the Jewish people. There's a whole part of the bible in which he demands the death of anyone who tries to oppose his people. Also the fact that their savior is descended from a long line of Jewish family. Since they hate people of Jewish decent too.

So does anyone have a opinion on the matter. I'm only asking because I'm curious.

Hate groups don't make a lot of sense period. But the KKK has a long history of hate in the United States. For the klan, the nature of Jesus' divinity is grossly misrepresented in the Klan as some blonde hair blue eyed man, whose relation in the Biblical account is pure.

Unfortunately, many white Americans and even Europeans today are uncomfortable depicting a historical and accurate account of Jesus as potentially having darker skin tone because it unsettles their idea of who Jesus really is. But alas the issue is the gross misrepresentation not just in imagery but in action of who and what Jesus stood for. I'm sure some Christians will use the No True Scotsman argument but the klan has been around since pre/post civil war era.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

@Grandliseur your post #7 was the most ignorant thing I've read this morning off of work. So can you demonstrate as FACT that prior to your Biblical quote that other members are simply meant to be dominated? This in fact is a white supremacist line of thinking...I'm really curious if you can provide scientific evidence (scientific considering that scientist don't use sociological models for evolution and behavior in this context).

 

[pearl]

Jesus was a Jew is a point that is sometimes brought up, but sometimes it's also brought up that it was they that caused his death.

The error in this is blaming Jews collectively.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I think you may have a couple of misconceptions about Judaism in your question. Where in the Bible is your reference about a god demanding the death of anyone who opposes Jews? I think this is opposite of the truth both historically and scripturally. In what way are Jewish people favored other than through the gift of Judaism? That seems to be the favor that is spoken of.

The kkk is relatively unknown to me, but they rely upon superstition to support their aims. It seems little more than a puppet para-church created by wealthy slave owners to prop up their vicious practices, and somehow it has failed to completely die with desegregation in the USA. I think that the Bible is misunderstood often enough and by enough organizations and enough people that its reasonable to dismiss anything the kkk claims to know. They're just the worst possible place to start, like trying to read underwater.

They refuse to die off because there is a large swath of whites in the South that still believe in what the klan and other white nationalists believe in even though they don't identify with the klan......Obama's presidency is a real obvious truth there.

 

[Jumi]

The error in this is blaming Jews collectively.

True. Both collective praise and blame for some group over what some people might have done in history seems common enough though.

 

[BSM1]

They refuse to die off because there is a large swath of whites in the South that still believe in what the klan and other white nationalists believe in even though they don't identify with the klan......Obama's presidency is a real obvious truth there.

What part of "the South" do you hail from?

 

[Revoltingest]

True. Both collective praise and blame for some group over what some people might have done in history seems common enough though.

There are 2 kinds of people.
1) Those who see people as groups.
2) Those who see people as individuals.
The KKK attracts type #1.
But as Daryl Davis has shown, they can learn to see
people as individuals, & recover from hating groups.