Perhaps Obama wanted America on Heroin instead of Cocaine? Notice the difference in drugs on the streets?
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Who Agrees with Trump's Tweets on his Immigration EO and the Court Orders Thereto?
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Perhaps Obama wanted America on Heroin instead of Cocaine? Notice the difference in drugs on the streets?
What happened to the other article you posted and quickly took down, about tying the hands of border patrols from using force to stop illegal immigration? Sure they tighten the rules at the gate and loosen them at the wall. or lack of a wall. So obviously it gets harder for people wanting to enter legally and easier for people who want to enter illegally.
I'm not asking if you support visa overstays...
I'm asking how much effort you put into 'solving' the issue, or how much you think the US government does, in comparison for the lower hanging and more visible fruit of the southern border?
I did the wrong article.
What are you talking about with "loosen them at the wall"?
Not sure what you're asking, but when I go picking I won't pass low hanging visible fruit unless there is better fruit higher up. You really have to check around a bit, try some here or there, before you commit to one spot.
*sighs*
I'll try and be clearer, then. And to be fair, this isn't a US thing, we have EXACTLY the same habit here.
Border protection arguments are generally populist in nature. Same as tougher gaol penalties. That's not to say they are right or wrong, but listen to politicians talk about them and the arguments most commonly made are populist in nature.
For you guys, there is a focus on the Mexican border. Somehow you need to turn back the flood of humans charging across the border. For us in Australia, it's boat people. People floating up on dangerous water-craft from Indonesia, and landing on Australian soil uninvited.
Thing is, there is a massive focus on this politically, even while visa overstays contribute very heavily to illegal immigration in both the US and Australia.
You can be pro-border protection, if you like. I would humbly suggest you don't see border protection as a physical blockade of a land border, and you also suggest you hold your politicians accountable for holistic policies that deal with the actual problem, and not the populist view of the problem.
Politicians who reduce the argument to a simplistic one are both doing you a disservice and underestimating your intelligence.
Just my point of view. You can obviously think about this however you like.
We have a problem of Illegal drugs flowing into the country and money flowing out of the country, also human trafficking. Only a physical blockade could stop that, not merely paying to ship them home for another drug run.
It's best the solution is not left to me though. If it was me I would simply conquer Mexico for the USA and build some short walls on each side of the Panama Canal.
Yes things still get in by way of smuggling and a wall won't stop most methods. They've even used catapults.
5 Crazy Machines Smugglers Use To Get Drugs Across The Border
Yet we can have a camera at every stop light in America...hooked up to fusion centers with computers capable of facial recognition etc. Build a wall and put the cameras there.
Yes we have enough technology that a wall is an archaic notion. We need a mote full of alligators too?
Where would you mount the cameras? Which side of the wall would the alligators be on?
esmith
Veteran Member
Take a look at the lower Rio Grande Valley of Texas then ask that question.
Curious George
Veteran Member
You know you have lost when the ad hominem attacks come out to play.
Border agents look at me, notice that Im Asian with a perfect Californian surfer accent, and simply let me go. Of course, they do search for drug paraphernalia some times.
Used to be we didn't need a passport to cross. I've gotten stopped randomly by border agents, depends on their mood in whether they want to waist my time.
esmith
Veteran Member
I have been hassled more by Canadian border personnel than I have US border personnel
Kuzcotopia
If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
If you think about it, Clinton lost because enough liberals stayed home or went third party. Generally, we demand a level of moral decency and accountability in our candidates, and there were legit questions about her that causes many loyal to the party line to think about using their vote in another way.
I'm not sure Republican voters have that same moral requirement. I'm not willing to knock individuals who voted for Trump, but in general, those voters seem to excuse much more morally questionable behavior than Democrats.
Because the media has been balkanaized to the point where conservatives have their own echo chambers, its possible they are too ill informed to understand the morality of their own leadership.
On the other hand, there is the "every man for yourself" philosophy of economic conservatism*. . . it could be that the morality of their candidates is precisely in line with their own morality after all.
* unless your a church or a fetus, of course
Constitutional laws and EOs are less likely to get struck down.
The states argued and the district court agreed that Trump's EO adversely affects the states' residents in areas of employment, education, business, family relations and freedom to travel. What changes to immigration laws do you propose in order to "concentrate more on those immigrants who'd benefit us"?
