Who are the 'lost sheep' of Israel that Jesus spoke of?

[metis]

Actually, Jesus was sent primarily to the lost sheep OF THE HOUSE of Israel.....

Mat 15:24 "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

....and also sent the twelve specifically to the lost sheep OF THE HOUSE of Israel....

Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL -often referred to as the "lost ten tribes" -are NOT of THE HOUSE OF JUDAH (Judah, Benjamin and some Levites) -they are NOT "the JEWS"

Israel had been split into the two houses by civil war.

Kingdom of Judah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is why the feast of tabernacles and last great day spoken of in John 7 are referred to as "the Jews' feast of tabernacles".

Joh 7:2 Now the Jews' feast of tabernacles was at hand.

"Jew" here does not mean "Israelite"'.

"Jew" has several meanings in scripture, but, generally, it was a slang term for those of the houose of Judah.

Christ was primarily sent to the house of Israel specifically, then sent the twelve to the house of Israel specifically.

Afterward, such as described in Acts, the apostles were sent also to the Jews and Non-Israelites.

Peter's vision of the unclean animals had nothing to do with eating animals, but concerned preaching then to Gentiles -and the apostles also began to interact more with the Jews.

Act 10:9 On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
Act 10:10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
Act 10:11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
Act 10:12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
Act 10:13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
Act 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
Act 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
Act 10:16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
Act 10:17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,
Act 10:18 And called, and asked whether Simon, which was surnamed Peter, were lodged there.
Act 10:19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.
Act 10:20 Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them.

The separation of the houses becomes very important in prophecy.
Where Judah is mentioned, for instance, it does not refer to the rest of Israel,
Also, where Ephraim, Manasseh, the house of Israel, etc., are mentioned, it does not refer to Judah.

The house of Israel were prophesied to lose their own identity and original language. Most of the house of Israel today have no idea that they are even Israelites!

Isa 1:3 The ox knoweth his owner, and the *** his master's crib: but Israel doth not know, my people doth not consider.

Amo 9:9 For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.

Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

There are so many mistakes with the above that I wouldn't know where to begin, so I won't.

 

[savagewind]

I do not do apologetics, but since you asked.
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Thank you.

Listen to the positive thoughts in your head during assembly.

What does this mean? "Listen to thoughts". A thought is a thought because the mind imagines it is HEARING it. Do you mean "pay attention" to our good thoughts?

The thought of jesus is shared, when people come together.

No it isn't.. See outhouses quote to prove it isn't.

Why do you think every person has a different description of what god is and does. and how to worship the concept.


That is why you have different religions all describing things differently.

You have demonstarted cognitive dissonance

These positive thoughts and teachings are always with you once you have opened your heart to them.

And who is the judge to judge what positve thoughts are? Which ones are poositive?

No.
That is your mind, all minds are weak and the power of suggestion is very deep.
he is with you in what your mind makes up.

Ok. Some minds are strong and can't be hypnotised.

Back then they had no concept of free will or thought.


Every single good thought was a god giving you those thoughts and every bad thought was the devil.


They were so ignorant, they literally all thought little people ran around inside your body.

You are making a big mistake. When you speak of ancient people you group them all together to decribe them all the same. They are not all the same.

Good thoughts and heart felt moments was gods spirit working within you. When you thought about god, that thought is within you. They had no idea "within you" was your conscious mind working as nature evolved it into

Wrong. Some of my worst thoughts, that I might wish I never had, are from God's Spirit.

 

[outhouse]

Congratulations on taking most of my reply out of context.

 

[savagewind]

Congratulations on taking most of my reply out of context.

Oh! Do you mean it shouldn't be done?

 

[Etritonakin]

There are so many mistakes with the above that I wouldn't know where to begin, so I won't.

Please do!

1Ki_12:20 And it came to pass, when all Israel heard that Jeroboam was come again, that they sent and called him unto the congregation, and made him king over all Israel: there was none that followed the house of David, but the tribe of Judah only.

1 Ki 12:21 Now when Rehoboam had come to Jerusalem, he assembled all the house of Judah and the tribe of Benjamin, 180,000 chosen men who were warriors, to fight against the house of Israel to restore the kingdom to Rehoboam the son of Solomon. ...

1 Ki 12:24 'Thus says the LORD, "You must not go up and fight against your relatives the sons of Israel; return every man to his house, for this thing has come from Me."'" So they listened to the word of the LORD, and returned and went their way according to the word of the LORD.

1 Ki 15:16 Now there was war between Asa and Baasha king of Israel all their days.
1 Ki 15:17 And Baasha king of Israel went up against Judah and fortified Ramah in order to prevent anyone from going out or coming in to Asa king of Judah.

Judg 20:30 And the sons of Israel went up against the sons of Benjamin on the third day and arrayed themselves against Gibeah, as at other times.

Judg 21:15 And the people were sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had made a breach in the tribes of Israel.

 

[outhouse]

Oh! Do you mean it shouldn't be done?

Which ones are poositive?

The ones coming out of a one year olds diaper

 

[Robert.Evans]

False.


Without history you have no context at all, to understand what is written.


Appealing to apologetics will get you no where.

And therefore by default, you are saying that scripture is historical. I think you have shot yourself in the foot.. haha. And if it is historical is it true, and if true, then spiritually discerned.... it is strange that you would even think in your wildest dreams that God would give you knowledge but not me.

 

[Robert.Evans]

We don't much care what you think.

You posted a bogus source with no credibility.

Haha... who is 'we'. You have some sort of atheist 'gang' do you... haha.

 

[Robert.Evans]

It is partially that, but what im getting at Is that without cultural anthropology you cannot interpret many passages no matter how hard you try unless you know the context of why they wrote what they did.


Like the passage about the mustard seed, without knowing the history and the context of how THEY used the word, modern man can never understand what the author had meant.

And no amount of spiritual nonsense will ever get it right.

Im not saying spirituality is nonsense, im saying if you think you can use it to interpret the bible your sorely mistaken.

Haaahahahaaaaahaa... let me just pick myself up off the floor. That is funny. I will not have to take you too seriously I feel. I did not realise how deluded your were. Apologies. It is spiritually discerned whether you like it or not.

Questions:
Did you use to be a Christian?
Why are you here as an atheist?

 

[Robert.Evans]

I do not do apologetics, but since you asked.
Listen to the positive thoughts in your head during assembly.

'Positive thoughts' haha. This is funny

The thought of jesus is shared, when people come together.

Haha

These positive thoughts and teachings are always with you once you have opened your heart to them.

No.

That is your mind, all minds are weak and the power of suggestion is very deep.

he is with you in what your mind makes up.


Back then they had no concept of free will or thought.


Every single good thought was a god giving you those thoughts and every bad thought was the devil.


They were so ignorant, they literally all thought little people ran around inside your body.

Hence the reason they always spoke of the 'little men' running round in them in the NT. Oh I can't come to the synagogue today, there are too many men running round in me. Haaaa ha. I am beginning to like you outhouse. You are funny.

Good thoughts and heart felt moments was gods spirit working within you. When you thought about god, that thought is within you. They had no idea "within you" was your conscious mind working as nature evolved it into.

'Nature'? And what is nature?

Why do you think every person has a different description of what god is and does. and how to worship the concept.
That is why you have different religions all describing things differently.

Because we are all different aspects of God, even you.

 

[outhouse]

it is strange that you would even think in your wildest dreams that God would give you knowledge but not me.

That concept would have to exist outside mythology and imagination.


it is strange that you would even think in your wildest dreams that I could not attend more college classes on this topic then you have, gaining more knowledge.

No one gives you anything. You go out and earn and learn it.

And therefore by default, you are saying that scripture is historical

I did not say that did I?

 

[Robert.Evans]

Please do!

1Ki_12:20 And it came to pass, when all Israel heard that Jeroboam was come again, that they sent and called him unto the congregation, and made him king over all Israel: there was none that followed the house of David, but the tribe of Judah only.

1 Ki 12:21 Now when Rehoboam had come to Jerusalem, he assembled all the house of Judah and the tribe of Benjamin, 180,000 chosen men who were warriors, to fight against the house of Israel to restore the kingdom to Rehoboam the son of Solomon. ...

1 Ki 12:24 'Thus says the LORD, "You must not go up and fight against your relatives the sons of Israel; return every man to his house, for this thing has come from Me."'" So they listened to the word of the LORD, and returned and went their way according to the word of the LORD.

1 Ki 15:16 Now there was war between Asa and Baasha king of Israel all their days.
1 Ki 15:17 And Baasha king of Israel went up against Judah and fortified Ramah in order to prevent anyone from going out or coming in to Asa king of Judah.

Judg 20:30 And the sons of Israel went up against the sons of Benjamin on the third day and arrayed themselves against Gibeah, as at other times.

Judg 21:15 And the people were sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had made a breach in the tribes of Israel.

'Please do'! Perhaps really he does not have an answer

 

[Robert.Evans]

That concept would have to exist outside mythology and imagination.


it is strange that you would even think in your wildest dreams that I could not attend more college classes on this topic then you have, gaining more knowledge.

No one gives you anything. You go out and earn and learn it.


I did not say that did I?

I was going to ask you where the head in hand was. I thought perhaps you had worn the button out.. haha. You say things which contradict the Bible, yet this is what you debate on. Why?

 

[Robert.Evans]

I did not say that did I?

You are asking a question. I wonder if you meant to. Yes that is what you said. Scripture is historical. It is written about a certain group of people, even if we can argue who they were. So it is history. People in history wrote it.

Are you goiing to answer the two questions?

 

[outhouse]

You say things which contradict the Bible, yet this is what you debate on. Why?

You have never taken a college course on any of this have you ???

 

[outhouse]

Scripture is historical.

Some is pseudo history.

 

[Robert.Evans]

You have never taken a college course on any of this have you ???

Haha... you are so funny. I don't recall God saying that is how we learn. How would anyone know if they were poor, or before colleges? You rely too much on the thoughts of the world. The world is a corpse.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Some is pseudo history.

So is your understanding of scripture.
Tell me how you can try to understand something that says that you will NOT understand because you do not believe?!?

 

[Robert.Evans]

How is it even possible to do that? I just don't know!
I don't even know why you bother. Why do you?
Why are you here? It makes no sense. What are you trying to prove?
What (I look at it from your point of view) if you are wrong? Are you prepared to take that risk?

 

[Robert.Evans]

My only answer is that it is some sort of therapy.