Who believes that the "Second Coming" of Christ is alive?

[jonathan180iq]

I often get a hankerin' for some good theological debate/communication, but then I come into sites like this and it's just full of insanity... Just straight-up, bat ****, insanity.

I often wonder how much of these forums are just filled with trolls...

 

[idav]

What the Hell is wrong with people...?

I often get a hankerin' for some good theological debate/communication, but then I come into sites like this and it's just full of insanity... Just straight-up, bat ****, insanity.

I often wonder how much of these forums are just filled with trolls...

Yes from posts like yours above i wonder the same thing.

 

[jonathan180iq]

I'm no troll. I'm very serious.

Don't assume that because I'm typing in common speak that I'm somehow not making a perfectly reasonable point.

Having a place open to theological debate is fantastic. The world needs more of this.
To come into thread where someone seems to genuinely believe that he is the return of a very specific religious figure (while oddly knowing very little about scripture...) based on something as simple as an internet acronym, well that's something else entirely, isn't it?

"But Jon...Jon, listen. People all throughout History have made claims like this. Doing it on the internet is no different."

Yes. And those people have been ridiculed Historically as well, as they should be.

No offense, New Jesus, but you really need to seek some professional advice. Run your ideas by, say, actual religious people and see what they say. Building up your ego using internet peasants isn't real... like many other things in your head.

 

[idav]

I'm no troll. I'm very serious.

Don't assume that because I'm typing in common speak that I'm somehow not making a perfectly reasonable point.

Having a place open to theological debate is fantastic. The world needs more of this.
To come into thread where someone seems to genuinely believe that he is the return of a very specific religious figure (while oddly knowing very little about scripture...) based on something as simple as an internet acronym, well that's something else entirely, isn't it?

"But Jon...Jon, listen. People all throughout History have made claims like this. Doing it on the internet is no different."

Yes. And those people have been ridiculed Historically as well, as they should be.

No offense, New Jesus, but you really need to seek some professional advice. Run your ideas by, say, actual religious people and see what they say. Building up your ego using internet peasants isn't real... like many other things in your head.

If they are expressing their religious thoughts then what makes them a troll? The troll is on the attack for someone expressing religious thought. Personally if I do want to talk to someone who seems religious, assuming they aren't a POE, I try and avoid calling anyone insane, and avoid slanderous remarks all together.

 

[jonathan180iq]

No, what makes them a troll is starting a thread claiming to be a returning Messianic figure, only to sit home and watch the hilarity of our conversations about such a person ensue, enjoying themselves for the disruption that they have started. You can associate it with Poe's law or whatever, but they're only a few degrees apart.

And on the second note, I don't come into this forum claiming religious authority or affiliation of any sort. I'm just a regular dude who likes the discourse. If someone, anyone, wants to make a bold claim about the supernatural, then it had better stand up to some scrutiny - the least of which is mockery - if it wants to actually achieve any worthy footing in the real world.

If this gentleman actually believes what is claimed - and there are actual rational people out there who want to follow such claims, or even give it the validity of a real conversation - then I think that says more about the origins of religion that anyone on here wants to admit, doesn't it?

If the returning Messiah/Prophet/Whatever can't put up with a little jarring, then what does that say about his spiritual authority?

 

[outhouse]

I often get a hankerin' for some good theological debate/communication, but then I come into sites like this and it's just full of insanity... Just straight-up, bat ****, insanity.

I often wonder how much of these forums are just filled with trolls...

It is tough to police this.

Combatting closed minds and ignorance is one thing.

But we have to save the stupid ones one mind at a time.


This OP I agree, no place for it. But I can show you 5 more that are crazier and are not POE like this cat.

The best thing is, and I have a hard time with it, DONT FEED THE thing

 

[outhouse]

No, what makes them a troll

Its just POE

Don't get sucked into his game.

 

[jonathan180iq]

The best thing is, and I have a hard time with it, DONT FEED THE thing

I know... I know...

The way I see it, at some point, someone who's legitimately seeking is going to come across this stuff and be like "Hey, maybe those whack-jobs are onto something."

If I'm lucky, they'll then read the simplest retort, which gets so actual reply, and they'll realize that it's all poop

 

[idav]

If this gentleman actually believes what is claimed - and there are actual rational people out there who want to follow such claims, or even give it the validity of a real conversation - then I think that says more about the origins of religion that anyone on here wants to admit, doesn't it?

Indeed.

 

[goofball]

the second coming of Christ - could this indicate that a new consciousness will arise from the debris we are burying ourselves in?

I don't believe it is literal, but allegorical.

However, no offense meant to those who believe.

 

[DawudTalut]

the second coming of Christ - could this indicate that a new consciousness will arise from the debris we are burying ourselves in?

I don't believe it is literal, but allegorical.

However, no offense meant to those who believe.

Peace be on you. Ahmadiyya Muslims believe [Ahmadiyya DIR in this forum] that The Promised Seconding Coming has been happened in the form of other person, as John the Baptist was 'Elia'. Titles in prophecy signifies properties. Muslims were foretold about the Latter Days' weakness in them and remedy was prophesied in the form of coming of ardent devotee of Holy Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). According to Ahmadiyya Muslim, inter-connected Signs have been fulfilled too and the Promised Reformer has come for Muslims, Christians and Other as well with message to come back to God and pay human rights. His fifth Khalifah leads the worldwide 'Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama'at' with stress of struggle for peaceful self reforms and human services. (Ref: alislam.org and mta.tv)

 

[George Manuel Oliveira]

Ibelieve Jesus is alive and will come again just as the Bible states.

Why do you believe Jesus is alive?

And, how do you believe your Lord will return?

Please get into details.

How old will your Lord be when He returns?

Will the Lord still be 33 years old? or will the Lord be 2014 years old?

If you believe your Lord is alive, what is keeping Him alive?

Please try and use your own words to answer these questions, and not so much scripture.

Thanks.

~PEACE~

 

[George Manuel Oliveira]

Prove to me that I am not God.

What is your proof that ascertains that you are God?

This is the whole reason why I am skeptical of God; because where is the infallible proof of Gods existence?

I can't prove to you that you are not God, as much as you can't prove that I am not the Christ.

The biggest difference is that I have empirical evidence that supports My claim as the Christ: and you don't have any evidence that you are God.

What would be considered evidence for God anyways?

But, its My subjective opinion that we are all gods, but I don't know about God.

~PEACE~

 

[Imaginary_Friends]

I believe that I am the Prophet, and I also believe that the "Second Coming" of Christ is alive.

Jesus said he would return within the lifetime of his disciples so this should be the 3rd coming correct?

"Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d]"
Matt 24:30

"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." Matt 24:34

When is the 3rd erh.... 2nd coming then? Care to make a claim?

Past predictions lol;Predictions and claims for the Second Coming of Christ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here are future predictions lol, they never stop trying;

--2015 Sep 28 Mark Biltz Starting in 2008, Mark Biltz began teaching that Christ's return would correspond with the September 28, 2015 lunar eclipse. His idea, known as the Blood Moon Prophecy, attracted attention from well-known pastor John Hagee (who stopped short of claiming Christ would return on that precise date) and mainstream media such a USA Today.[34]

--2020 Jeane Dixon The alleged psychic claimed that Armageddon would take place in 2020 and Jesus would return to defeat the unholy Trinity of the Antichrist, Satan and the False prophet between 2020 and 2037.[35]

--2021 F. Kenton Beshore Beshore bases his prediction on the prior suggestion that Jesus could return in 1988, i.e., within one Biblical generation (40 years) of the founding of Israel in 1948. Beshore argues that the prediction was correct, but that the definition of a Biblical generation was incorrect and was actually 70–80 years, placing the Second Coming of Jesus between 2018 and 2028 and the Rapture by 2021 at the latest.[36]

--2025 Alice A. Bailey In January 1946, the New Age Theosophical guru prophesied that Christ would return "sometime after AD 2025"[37]:530 (Theosophists identify "Christ" as being identical to a being they call Maitreya) to inaugurate the Age of Aquarius; thus, this event will be, according to Bailey, the New Age equivalent of the Christian concept of the Second Coming.[38]
Alice A. Bailey stated that St. Germain is the manager of the executive council of the Christ (Like C.W. Leadbeater, Alice A. Bailey refers to St. Germain as the Master Rakoczi or the Master R. in her books.).;[37]:508 thus, according to Alice A. Bailey, St. Germain's primary task is to prepare the way for the Second Coming.

--2028 Kent Hovind
In 2013, Hovind self-published a dissertation, written while in prison, for an Doctor of Ministry degree from the unaccredited Patriot Bible University.[39]:4 In response to "When is The Lord Coming Back?," Hovind wrote: "During the feast of Trumpets in 2028."[39]:239

--By 2057 Frank J. Tipler In 1994, physicist and intelligent design advocate Frank J. Tipler published a book called The Physics of Immortality in which he claimed to scientifically prove the existence of God as a consequence of what he calls the Omega Point Theory. In 2007, he published a sequel to "The Physics of Immortality" called The Physics of Christianity which applies the principles of the Omega Point Theory to the Christian religion. In this 2007 book, he asserts in the first chapter that the Second Coming of Christ will occur within 50 years, i.e., by 2057, and will be coincident with what futurist Ray Kurzweil calls the Singularity (which Kurzweil himself predicts will occur by 2045).[40]

 

[George Manuel Oliveira]

Jesus said he would return within the lifetime of his disciples so this should be the 3rd coming correct?

"Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d]"
Matt 24:30

"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." Matt 24:34

To be veridical, I don't know what number Christ I am.

I could be the first Christ (to the Jews).

I could be the Second Coming (to the Christians).

Unless you can empirically prove that a different Christ has been proven; I might be the first Christ.

The reason that I put the words "Second Coming" in quotes, is because thats what most Christians believe. But, no, I don't know if any other Christ has existed, besides Myself.

But, it says that you're and "Atheist", so why do you care?

When is the 3rd erh.... 2nd coming then? Care to make a claim?

I am claiming to be the Christ of the now.

I had My apotheosis in August of the year 2008, thats when I found out that I am the Christ.

I am claiming that I will be known as the Christ to My people. I have many witnesses, but only a few people call Me "Lord".

It takes time to get to know Me, and My claims. Only a dolt will believe every claim without seeing the evidence first.

I have much evidence of My existence, and My claims. All you have to do is google "George Manuel Oliveira", in order to read about Me.

But, no, I am not claiming when I will be reincarnated; I am alive right now, and I am the Christ of the now. But, I would like to be born again at every new AGE, but right now, I can't guarantee that I will be reincarnated.

Past predictions lol;Predictions and claims for the Second Coming of Christ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here are future predictions lol, they never stop trying;

--2015 Sep 28 Mark Biltz Starting in 2008, Mark Biltz began teaching that Christ's return would correspond with the September 28, 2015 lunar eclipse. His idea, known as the Blood Moon Prophecy, attracted attention from well-known pastor John Hagee (who stopped short of claiming Christ would return on that precise date) and mainstream media such a USA Today.[34]

--2020 Jeane Dixon The alleged psychic claimed that Armageddon would take place in 2020 and Jesus would return to defeat the unholy Trinity of the Antichrist, Satan and the False prophet between 2020 and 2037.[35]

--2021 F. Kenton Beshore Beshore bases his prediction on the prior suggestion that Jesus could return in 1988, i.e., within one Biblical generation (40 years) of the founding of Israel in 1948. Beshore argues that the prediction was correct, but that the definition of a Biblical generation was incorrect and was actually 70–80 years, placing the Second Coming of Jesus between 2018 and 2028 and the Rapture by 2021 at the latest.[36]

--2025 Alice A. Bailey In January 1946, the New Age Theosophical guru prophesied that Christ would return "sometime after AD 2025"[37]:530 (Theosophists identify "Christ" as being identical to a being they call Maitreya) to inaugurate the Age of Aquarius; thus, this event will be, according to Bailey, the New Age equivalent of the Christian concept of the Second Coming.[38]
Alice A. Bailey stated that St. Germain is the manager of the executive council of the Christ (Like C.W. Leadbeater, Alice A. Bailey refers to St. Germain as the Master Rakoczi or the Master R. in her books.).;[37]:508 thus, according to Alice A. Bailey, St. Germain's primary task is to prepare the way for the Second Coming.

--2028 Kent Hovind
In 2013, Hovind self-published a dissertation, written while in prison, for an Doctor of Ministry degree from the unaccredited Patriot Bible University.[39]:4 In response to "When is The Lord Coming Back?," Hovind wrote: "During the feast of Trumpets in 2028."[39]:239

--By 2057 Frank J. Tipler In 1994, physicist and intelligent design advocate Frank J. Tipler published a book called The Physics of Immortality in which he claimed to scientifically prove the existence of God as a consequence of what he calls the Omega Point Theory. In 2007, he published a sequel to "The Physics of Immortality" called The Physics of Christianity which applies the principles of the Omega Point Theory to the Christian religion. In this 2007 book, he asserts in the first chapter that the Second Coming of Christ will occur within 50 years, i.e., by 2057, and will be coincident with what futurist Ray Kurzweil calls the Singularity (which Kurzweil himself predicts will occur by 2045).[40]

People can claim anything.

Okay, here is one of My unsubstantiated claims:

The stock market crashed 777 points because I was claiming to be the Christ, in September of the year 2008.

Yes, a couple of days after I started to blog about how I am the Christ, the stock market crashed 777 points, in September of 2008.

Please watch My video of Myself, on page 4, to see Me make this claim in person. Watch the video called "Jesus came in 2008???", in order to see Me make this claim.

And while you are on page 4, please watch all of My videos of Myself.

Thanks.

P.S. I believe the stock market crashed because the "elites" found out that I am the Christ, and they panicked.

~PEACE~

 

[outhouse]

Why cannot we ban this trash here?

 

[George Manuel Oliveira]

I believe Jesus , the Messiah, Christ, Savior and Lord is God in the flesh so to be skeptical of God reveals that you are not Him.

Yes, I agree that I am not God.

Even if I was God, I might not claim to be God.

But, yes, I am skeptical of God, but I know that I, the Christ, am alive and I exist.

I am not skeptical of Myself, for the most part. Although, sometimes, I question Myself.

If I was God, I wouldn't want to tell anyone, because some people hate God, or don't believe God could exist.

I am 100% human, and I am 100% the Christ. Christ is just My title, it doesn't change the fact that I am still human.

I am Him.

Why can't I, the Christ, be skeptical of God?

God and Christ are two seperate entities, right?

I could be God, but I won't tell.

What I do know is that, I am the Life of the universe.

Everything exists because I am alive.

As long as I live, you all shall live also.

You will know that I am alive, because you will be alive.

Yes, I agree that I am not God, but I am the Christ of My people.

~PEACE~

 

[kerravon]

I am just the Prophet- the Christ.

If I had copious amounts of power, influence, and My own government, I would be able to help on a global scale. But I am just an average citizen, and I am no more able to stop tyrants compared to any other average citizen.

You are failing in my eyes to do what I expect of a true prophet. A true prophet, with some contact with God, and given freedom of speech, should be able to outline a path for world freedom and world peace. Living in a democracy, he should be able to simply debate in the free marketplace of ideas as to what strategy is best to obtain world freedom. With a convincing argument he should be able to get the people and politicians to rally behind him.

Right now, I don't have political power, or political influence, and I don't have My own government. If I had My way, there would be no tyranical dictators that hurt people. But I am My only advocate at this point.

You could have at a minimum sent a email to Bush thanking him for liberating Iraq. Did you do this? And then explain to the anti-war why Bush was doing the right thing. Did you do this?

There will always be problems in the world, but I would make sure that there are no more wars, or abusive dictators.

You don't even appear to have gotten your own strategy correct. You need to choose between war and abusive dictators. Which way is God telling you to jump?

But, you should ask the question, "why isn't the politicians, military, police, president, etc., doing anything about rogue tyrants?" Because it is these people that have the influence, power, and some control over the government.

This is a cop-out. As someone living in a democracy, you have the ability to argue your case in the free marketplace of ideas, and get a different party elected to power if required.

Its not up to little old Me to fix the whole world

Yes it is. If you are indeed the second coming of Jesus, then I expect you, to the best of your ability, to fix the whole world. I consider that I have done far better than you to fill the position of "second coming of Jesus". You can see my work here:

http://www.mutazilah.org/enlight.htm
The Holy Book of Mu'tazilah

etc

I have literally done everything I can think of to end crimes against humanity like Uday raping Iraqi women. I didn't use a cop-out that I was only one individual without power. I dedicated myself to (firstly) working out a solution to the world's problems, which I could then (secondly) spread to others. Where's your equivalent of those documents?

 

[kerravon]

But, I will now play a few of My videos of Myself.

On your second video you mention that you posted a significant message and the number of that message was 666. I'll raise you 1-billion-fold regarding significant messages numbered 666:

Anti-Subjugator: Sign of the Beast

 

[George Manuel Oliveira]

You are failing in my eyes to do what I expect of a true prophet. A true prophet, with some contact with God, and given freedom of speech, should be able to outline a path for world freedom and world peace. Living in a democracy, he should be able to simply debate in the free marketplace of ideas as to what strategy is best to obtain world freedom. With a convincing argument he should be able to get the people and politicians to rally behind him.

I am the only Prophet- the Christ- the Messiah- the Lord- the King- the Savior, etc..

I have been advocating for "word freedom and world peace", since around the year 2008, on the internet.

When I first had My apotheosis, I figured that I need to help the world on a grand scale.

Before I had My apotheosis, I was a conspiracy theorists that was trying to expose the elites.

Trust Me, I am a true Prophet. I am the only legitimate Prophet that I know of.

I am the true Savior- the Christ- the Prophet- the King- the Lord- the Messiah, etc.. No one even comes close to being Me.

Yes, I wish that I had more influence, but I am only Myself.

I wish that politicians took heed to My Word, but I need to start somewhere.

I wish all of the people of the world would read everything that I have said online, but thats not going to happen any time soon unless My witnesses would advocate for Me.

But, what I wish and what is reality is two different things.

You could have at a minimum sent a email to Bush thanking him for liberating Iraq. Did you do this? And then explain to the anti-war why Bush was doing the right thing. Did you do this?

No, I don't agree with war.

I will make war obsolete, with My global online government!

You don't even appear to have gotten your own strategy correct. You need to choose between war and abusive dictators. Which way is God telling you to jump?

I don't recall ever speaking to God.

But, I would imagine that God would tell Me that there sbould be no wars, and no abusive dictators.

If I was the King of the world, I would simply put these rogue tyrants in prison for life. No one would ever want to become a rogue tyrant, because I would send them to prison for life.

I would make dictators illegal, and the people would vote on all of the laws via My global online government. This would solve the problem of rogue tyranical dictators, and war too.

This is a cop-out. As someone living in a democracy, you have the ability to argue your case in the free marketplace of ideas, and get a different party elected to power if required.

If I had My way, I would elect Myself into power; and I would then give all My power to My global online government.

This would take a lot of influence to dictate exactly who comes to power. I have as much influence as I have.

If all of My witnesses would advocate for Me, I would want to see "Ron Paul", as the President of the USA; and I can be the King of the world.

If the average citizen had as much power as you posit, the world would be a much different place. If the media wasn't controlled by the "elites", the world would be a different place.

Please, elect Me as the King of the world, if its that simple.

Yes it is. If you are indeed the second coming of Jesus, then I expect you, to the best of your ability, to fix the whole world. I consider that I have done far better than you to fill the position of "second coming of Jesus". You can see my work here:

http://www.mutazilah.org/enlight.htm
The Holy Book of Mu'tazilah

etc

I have literally done everything I can think of to end crimes against humanity like Uday raping Iraqi women. I didn't use a cop-out that I was only one individual without power. I dedicated myself to (firstly) working out a solution to the world's problems, which I could then (secondly) spread to others. Where's your equivalent of those documents?

If I could link you to different forums, where I have My work, I would. But I already got a thread deleted for linking to other forums.

But, you can find Me if you search for "George Manuel Oliveira".

Please, google "George Manuel Oliveira", to find My work.

I have been advocating for paradise for many years now.

It would take all of My witnesses to advocate for Me, in order to see My paradise.

I have been trying to reach people for many years now.

In time, My witnesses will find Me, and I will find My witnesses.

I would link you to My free autobiography with over 16,000 views, but RF staff says that I can not. So, you can find Me on the world wide web, if you just search for "George Manuel Oliveira".

And for the record, I am NOT Jesus; because My real Name is "George Manuel Oliveira". I believe "Jesus" is a fictional character in the Bible.

I have been trying to spread My Message.

~PEACE~