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Who Can Prove God's Existence?
- Thread starter NGerty
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I believe the notion of there being a God is ridiculous and that there is no rational way of justifying a divine presence.
What do you mean, "Does it really matter?" ?...
Although I believe God doesn't exist, millions of people do. All I want is for some reasons why I should believe in a God, or at least reasons other people have supporting their own beliefs.
What do you mean, "Does it really matter?" ?...
Although I believe God doesn't exist, millions of people do. All I want is for some reasons why I should believe in a God, or at least reasons other people have supporting their own beliefs.
Jeremiah
Well-Known Member
"All I want is for some reasons why I should believe"
No. you don't. You just said it was "ridiculous" and "that there is no rational way of justifying a divine presence. "
I think you have already made up your mind and no matter what anyone says it will not be good enough for you. In fact this debate has been over before it started.
I don't mean to criticize for the sake of criticizing, and yes, I have made up my mind to an extent. I mean to say that I don't know if there is a God, that I don't see any reasons for me to believe (not that there aren't any) , and that I would like to know where other people who do believe draw from to maintain their faith. My motives and goals aren't to criticize, but to learn of and try to understand beliefs other than my own. I'm curious, but don't mean to be condescending.
Jeremiah
Well-Known Member
You might want to try a search as this topic is very, very common around here.
McBell
Unbound
Loads of people have proven God's existence.
footprints
Well-Known Member
Many concepts seem pretty radical to me.
Who can prove Gods existence, well God of course, who else? Nobody on earth even knows what God per se even looks like.
This is what I love about this board. When some Atheists comes along and makes a rather uninformed unsophisticated attack on theism, it is often another Atheist who calls them on this nonsense. It is not always just the Atheists against the Theists.
And I have also seen when some Theist makes unwarranted attacks on Atheists it is often other Theists who criticize them for that.
And I have also seen when some Theist makes unwarranted attacks on Atheists it is often other Theists who criticize them for that.
Jeremiah
Well-Known Member
Well if God is the only one who can prove his own existence, where does that get us? If someone says unicorns exist but cannot prove it because only the unicorn can do so, why should anyone believe in it. And if God is the only one who can provide proof, why doesn't he materialize and show himself to us?
Also, the fact that nobody knows what God looks like seems to support the no evidence = no god position.
Also, the fact that nobody knows what God looks like seems to support the no evidence = no god position.
I don't make a very sophisticated argument because I believe the bottom line is simple:
Big claims require a lot of proof.
People claim God created everything, knows everything, can do anything, listens to millions of people praying to him at once, is invisible, has never been seen, and lives in a place called heaven which can't be located or observed.
That seems like it qualifies for being a big claim without any supporting evidence.
Big claims require a lot of proof.
People claim God created everything, knows everything, can do anything, listens to millions of people praying to him at once, is invisible, has never been seen, and lives in a place called heaven which can't be located or observed.
That seems like it qualifies for being a big claim without any supporting evidence.
Evidently you are looking for vindication. Why even say there is no God to those who may believe? Do you need to be brought home to God?
We are here, the stars and the entirety of creation is here. Do the math we are a statistical improbability and almost an impossibility.
If you need some proof then you must believe something is there.
We are here, the stars and the entirety of creation is here. Do the math we are a statistical improbability and almost an impossibility.
If you need some proof then you must believe something is there.
footprints
Well-Known Member
"Nobody on earth even knows what God per se even looks like."
LOL, look Jeremiah what can I say, if that image works for you, it works for you.
First of all, which concept of God are you talking about? There are several.
Hey, I know we've been bombarded by a slew of trolls lately, but lets give this guy a chance, first.
I see God all the time. 24/7, in fact. Trust me: God may be hard to recognize, but he/she/it is surely NOT invisible.
imaginaryme
Active Member
We are probability one. Ease up on the math... dang statistics... they're worse than faith.
That dang Hoyle... besides, the whole point is not to "prove god's existence," it is to accept god. If one cannot accept god, that works, too.