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Who created God?
- Thread starter Ogbomosho
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Runt
Well-Known Member
I think the general belief is that God has always existed and always will. However, some hold that a god can die and then return (Wicca, Ancient Egyptian...)
I personally neither know nor care whether or not God has always existed. Although if there is a God, and he/she/it was created by something else, then I think we should all be having a personal relationship with THAT entity, rather than worshipping God.
And if some other entity did create god... then what created that entity? And what created it? And so on...
I personally neither know nor care whether or not God has always existed. Although if there is a God, and he/she/it was created by something else, then I think we should all be having a personal relationship with THAT entity, rather than worshipping God.
And if some other entity did create god... then what created that entity? And what created it? And so on...
Gunnard
Member
God and man is mutual relationship you know, neither can exist without the other. We are the result of the will of god & god is the result of our BIG,FAT,INFLATED ego that is whimpering for some kind greater inclusion
of the one that doesn't get satisfied here, sounds kind of mean buts thats the gist of it.
of the one that doesn't get satisfied here, sounds kind of mean buts thats the gist of it.
Master Vigil
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"God and man is mutual relationship you know, neither can exist without the other."
If god has always existed as is the basic idea. And man has not always existed, than god most certainly can exist without us. But then we would not be able to exist without god for god is what makes everything happen. Now if you take it from a Taoist perspective, The Tao is everything, so even before humans existed there was Tao, after humans die, there will be Tao. But there can be no tao if nothing happened, and there would be nothing happening if there was no Tao.
If god has always existed as is the basic idea. And man has not always existed, than god most certainly can exist without us. But then we would not be able to exist without god for god is what makes everything happen. Now if you take it from a Taoist perspective, The Tao is everything, so even before humans existed there was Tao, after humans die, there will be Tao. But there can be no tao if nothing happened, and there would be nothing happening if there was no Tao.
Paraprakrti
Custom User
Ogbomosho said:
This is the line of questioning when one says, "everything must have been created"...
But the correct statement is that every material thing must have been created. The concept of God is spiritual, and the spiritual quality is opposite to that of the material quality. Material forms have a beginning and an end, but spirit is eternal, neither beginning nor end.
Therefore, God is not simply a link in the chain of cause and effect, He completely transcends it. He is the Transcendental, Spiritual Cause of all things.
I think that depends on just what God is. If God is a euphemism for the powers that are greater than man, then it is independent of the existence of man and can and will exist without man. But if God is just a concept that man developed, then God didn't come into being until man invented the concept.Master Vigil said:
If God isn't in any way material, then he/she/it couldn't have created man. Man is material and couldn't have been created by something that wasn't material. After all, where did the mass that has become man come from? It couldn't have come from something that wasn't material.Paraprakrti said:
Master Vigil
Well-Known Member
Yeah, the law of gravity is not a physical thing, but it governs how physical things act when they are expsed to this phenomenon.
LCMS Sprecher
Member
Well, Well, Well, trying apply some kind of logic and reason to the spiritual again. It doesn't work because God is made real through faith. Faith is illogical and unprovable. However, I will put my two cents in here. God is infinite, and exists for all enternity. That is obviously laid down in the Bible.
Runt
Well-Known Member
...and completely human in nature. So therefore, without humans (who are the only things which can have faith), God is not real?
And you have faith, not proof (other than the Bible's claim "I am true!") that the Bible is a legitimate source.
"I have faith" sounds like a clever synonym for "I think despite all logic and evidence to the contrary".
tumble_weed
Member
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Hmm i was just thinking of making a topic like this oh well
If God has been around for ever why all of a sudden 12 or so billion years ago did he decide to just create everything?
However if you think about it it doesn't really make much sense to say that God has just existed for ever...it seems that he must have arrived at one point...and if he did appear at one point what caused God to exist?
If you do believe that someone/something created god then something must have created the something that created god...and etc...as runt explained....so then it becomes a matter of saying that the universe was created by either an infinite amount of gods creating other gods and creating the universe or by saying that the universe was created by something that doesn't have a cause...such as just one God which doesn't have a cause. And if you say there is one God which doesn't have a cause that created the universe....then why not just say that the universe was created by the big bang without the help of God and say that that didn't have a God?
Also as Vigil said God obviously must have existed without humans in fact if he has been around for every second,minute.hour,day,year etc...God must have lived most of his life without the existence of humans
Also one difference between natural laws and God is that "God is made real through faith. Faith is illogical and unprovable." So
that really doesn't provide much proof at all the God is almighty and has been around forever and will always be around...that's just been stated in one book, which happens to be written thousands of years ago. In this post I have used a website, a book and the rest of everyone Else's responses to write this response...I'm not just using one source to write this.
Hmm i was just thinking of making a topic like this oh well
If God has been around for ever why all of a sudden 12 or so billion years ago did he decide to just create everything?
However if you think about it it doesn't really make much sense to say that God has just existed for ever...it seems that he must have arrived at one point...and if he did appear at one point what caused God to exist?
If you do believe that someone/something created god then something must have created the something that created god...and etc...as runt explained....so then it becomes a matter of saying that the universe was created by either an infinite amount of gods creating other gods and creating the universe or by saying that the universe was created by something that doesn't have a cause...such as just one God which doesn't have a cause. And if you say there is one God which doesn't have a cause that created the universe....then why not just say that the universe was created by the big bang without the help of God and say that that didn't have a God?
Also as Vigil said God obviously must have existed without humans in fact if he has been around for every second,minute.hour,day,year etc...God must have lived most of his life without the existence of humans
Also one difference between natural laws and God is that "God is made real through faith. Faith is illogical and unprovable." So
quick said:
that really doesn't provide much proof at all the God is almighty and has been around forever and will always be around...that's just been stated in one book, which happens to be written thousands of years ago. In this post I have used a website, a book and the rest of everyone Else's responses to write this response...I'm not just using one source to write this.
Paraprakrti
Custom User
Ogbomosho said:
Explain how material forms can only be created by a material being.
The energy that was used to form man is ever-existing. When I say created, I don't mean that the energy itself was created, but the form.
God's energies can be generally categorized into two: material and spiritual. The material energy is fleeting in it's forms and is, overall, sometimes manifest and other times unmanifest. The spiritual energy is eternally and transcendentally manifest beyond material perception. Although, both God and His energies exist eternally. So it is not that material energy is created, but that it is sometimes manifest and sometimes not. When it is to become manifest and what forms it shall take are all ordained by the Supreme Lord. Energy does not act without guidance by the Energetic.