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Who deserves Hell?

Me Myself

Me Myself

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No one diserves Hell.

At least not for ever.

If God can´t see this, I advice him to abdicate his position.
 
InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
tumbleweed41 said:
This question is directed at those who either believe in a literal hell, or the eternal death of the soul, as punishment for those who do not "follow the rules" of your particular religion, or for those who reject the basic tenets of your religion.

As an example, I will use myself.

Raised in a Conservative Baptist church in Oregon.
Accepted Jesus Christ as my savior at the age of 11.
Active in a Southern Baptist Church as youth leader and Deacon.
Extensive study of the Holy Bible.
Firm believer in Protestant theology until the age of 33.
Rejected all forms of revealed revelation and salvation/hell concepts.
Deist since the age of 35.

Now, I consider myself a good person. I am honest in my dealings with others. I base my morality on humanistic principles.

Based on the above, am I deserving of some sort of eternal punishment?
And if so, why? If not, why not?
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I have no reason to doubt that you are a very nice person, but I am afraid you deserve to be separated from God as much as I do because according to the scriptures...all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. God's revealed way of forgiveness, reconciliation, and eternal life is only through the righteousness of Christ, not our own.
 
tumbleweed41

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
InChrist said:
I have no reason to doubt that you are a very nice person, but I am afraid you deserve to be separated from God as much as I do because according to the scriptures...all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. God's revealed way of forgiveness, reconciliation, and eternal life is only through the righteousness of Christ, not our own.
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Ah. So, in your theological position, only those who repent and accept Jesus Christ into their hearts/lives are worthy of salvation. Correct?
 
Trey of Diamonds

Trey of Diamonds

Well-Known Member
InChrist said:
I have no reason to doubt that you are a very nice person, but I am afraid you deserve to be separated from God as much as I do because according to the scriptures...all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. God's revealed way of forgiveness, reconciliation, and eternal life is only through the righteousness of Christ, not our own.
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I disagree. :cool:

One of the reasons I left the Baptist church is this misguided belief of man born in sin and having to beg forgiveness by agreeing to believe in the divinty of a man who never said he was divine in the first place. :sarcastic
 
Tarheeler

Tarheeler

Argumentative Curmudgeon
Premium Member
crocusj said:
What about those who stand by while others carry out evil, are we not all guilty of that to some degree or other. Being "good" is one thing but doing "good" is something else. If we, as individuals, have the power to alleviate suffering on whatever scale we can or even to dissent when suffering is obvious but do not even wonder how we can intervene can we really expect a reward for this? We elect leaders who take us into war, we embrace political systems that can only result in suffering for somebody somewhere down the line, ditto our purchasing and economic priorities and are much more prone to wash our hands than to wring them. I'm not judging (or even complaining about it), life is hard and a bit of a mish mash but murderers, rapists and child molesters tend to be punished and have a relatively small impact on the vast majority of us. Genocide, mass rape and infanticide can only be carried out with either the approval or the apathy of the many, most of whom will see themselves as "good". If there is a heaven then I think it will be very sparsely populated and there will be a lot of surprised people being turned away.
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Wow, nice. Does it feel good to get it all out? ;)

As for your question, I have no clue.
 
Me Myself

Me Myself

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InChrist said:
I have no reason to doubt that you are a very nice person, but I am afraid you deserve to be separated from God as much as I do because according to the scriptures...all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. God's revealed way of forgiveness, reconciliation, and eternal life is only through the righteousness of Christ, not our own.
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Where in the vedas does it says that? Or was it in the Lotus sutras? Maybe in the Qran?

So many scriptures...
 
InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
Trey of Diamonds said:
I disagree. :cool:

One of the reasons I left the Baptist church is this misguided belief of man born in sin and having to beg forgiveness by agreeing to believe in the divinty of a man who never said he was divine in the first place. :sarcastic
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I respect your freedom to disagree. The scriptures do not indicate that one must beg for forgiveness, it is a gift God is ready to give in a instant.
 
Trey of Diamonds

Trey of Diamonds

Well-Known Member
InChrist said:
I respect your freedom to disagree. The scriptures do not indicate that one must beg for forgiveness, it is a gift God is ready to give in a instant.
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But only conditionally. My God is unconditional in his love and forgiveness. Then again he/she is also just an anthropomorphic projection of universal energy existing on the edge of human perception. :D
 
InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
Me Myself said:
No one diserves Hell.

At least not for ever.

If God can´t see this, I advice him to abdicate his position.
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I am glad you are not God or the suffering and misery brought about by sin in this life here on earth would go on for eternity.
 
Me Myself

Me Myself

Back to my username
InChrist said:
Then your imaginative, sin-condoning god is lacking in holiness and justice.
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Nope. Just a fair one.

If you do bad, you´ll receive bad in return.

If you want eternal bad in return, you´ll need to do bad eternally.

No one can do that.
 
tumbleweed41

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
InChrist said:
What conditions do you think it comes with?
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One must...

  1. Believe that Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior
  2. Ask Jesus into your "heart".
  3. Repent of your "sins".


Would you not agree that the above conditions must be met to receive the free gift of salvation?
 
InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
tumbleweed41 said:
One must...

  1. Believe that Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior
  2. Ask Jesus into your "heart".
  3. Repent of your "sins".


Would you not agree that the above conditions must be met to receive the free gift of salvation?
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I don't know that it has to be necessarily in the order you have listed, but basically those things occur when one trusts Jesus Christ as their Savior and then the gift of salvation and eternal life (which has already been given from God to humanity John 3:16) is applied to their life personally.
 
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tumbleweed41

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
InChrist said:
I don't know that it has to be necessarily in the order you have listed, but basically those things occur when one trusts Jesus Christ as their Savior and then the gift of salvation and eternal life (which has already been given from God to humanity John 3:16) is applied to their life personally.
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But, if one does not trust Jesus Christ as their Savior, then the gift of salvation and eternal life (which has already been given from God to humanity John 3:16) is removed and one is doomed to hell/eternal death. Correct?

The condition has not been met for the "free" gift. And instead, one is punished.
 
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