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Who Do You Believe that Jesus Is?

Rival

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
_nameX said:
Throughout. Even Moses was tricked.
Remember Satan is the god of this world. His emmesarry is the devil(2 different but united in cause angels).
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Quotes?

No, Satan is an angel who is under the authority of God, according to Judaism. So why would Jews worship him?
 
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_nameX

Member
Rival said:
And what exactly is your understanding of 'the devil'? Where in the Tanach do the Jews worship him?
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You have to understand the scriptures.
There are many times when Moses is in trouble with The Most High, for being deceived by the devil into doing his will.
 
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djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
_nameX said:
The Bible clearly speaks the Jews falsely worshipping the devil.
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Two questions, 1 - how can one "falsely" worship the devil? Does that mean they pretended to worship him, but not really?

And 2 - what does that have to do with his (gods voice) AI god, google, computers, programs or anything he has said?
 
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pearl

Well-Known Member
archangel1411 said:
“But who do YOU say that I am?” Jesus wanted to know what those closest to Him believed. It was Peter…the shy one...who replied quickly; “You are the Christ; the Son of the Living God.” Peter knew where to take a stand and what had been revealed to him. He knew in his heart and mind and soul who Jesus was and was not ashamed (at this point) to proclaim it out loud. And Jesus responded to Peter’s declaration by saying; “Blessed are you Simon Bar - Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father Who is in heaven.”
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These assertions of belief were not made or understood by the Apostles until post resurrection. They understood who Jesus is through Resurrection faith and the giving of the Paraclete.



archangel1411 said:
So...who do you say He is? The prize is to become a Christian-heir. Failure to answer correctly can cost you eternal life..one forever separated from God. The question isn't about religion or traditions. It's about knowing who Jesus is and having a personal relationship with Him and faith in Him.
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'Whatsoever you do unto the least.......you do also unto me'. And this we do out of love, not with an eye on a 'prize'. 1JN 6 states 'God is love', not that he loves, but IS love itself. A personal relationship is a must, it is only the beginning, never a 'Jesus and me' only.
 
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_nameX

Member
djhwoodwerks said:
Two questions, 1 - how can one "falsely" worship the devil? Does that mean they pretended to worship him, but not really?

And 2 - what does that have to do with his (gods voice) AI god, google, computers, programs or anything he has said?
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to falsely worship the devil means to worship him by accident, or out of ignorance or wickedness etc. They thought they were worshipping the most high, but in actually their worship was false and their praises were not directed toward him but toward satan.

The devil targets the most high's chosen especially
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
Coder said:
Hi,

The Christian Scriptures record Jesus as asking "Who do you say that I am?" and I am interested in answers to that question and the basis for the answer. The Christian Scriptures indicate that the answer is that faith in Him is a gift from God.

I respect and love much of the wisdom found in both the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures, however, I think that the Christian Scriptures may be pragmatic in many ways and contain external influences. Some go as far as to propose that Jesus is a fictional figure. Do some think that Christianity is possibly a fable by the Roman Empire to have one state religion? I don't go that far but I do see that Christianity seems to incorporate elements from so many religions/beliefs in the Roman Empire at that time. Here is a list of Christian replacements of or commonality with former religions:

Jewish sacrifices -- new Sacrifice
Passover meal -- Christian "breaking of the bread" (Communion)
patron gods in Roman religion -- saints in Roman Church
Jupiter (sky father) in Roman religion -- God the Father
God as Father in Judaism -- God the Father
Jupiter (sky father) -- Jesus ascended into the sky
father-son gods in Roman religion -- Father and Son
Holy Spirit in Judaism -- Unity of the Trinity (Father-Son)
gods who impregnated women in Greek/Roman/pagan religion -- virgin birth
The human soul in Greek philosophy -- The belief in the soul
God breathes life into man in Judaism (Holy Spirit) -- Jesus is man by the Holy Spirit

Also one may wonder if it is coincidental that the Jewish Temple was destroyed by the Romans and Jewish sacrifices ceased. Some of the miracles of Jesus have close parallels in the Hebrew Scriptures. It is interesting that some responded to Jesus that some say He is Elijah. Also, one may wonder if some of the portrayal of Jewish leaders in Christian Scriptures accepted by the Roman Church was not based on Roman opposition to Judaism. At the same time, other Scripture passages seem to appeal to other Jews to accept this new religion (e.g. to form unity in the Empire). If the Roman government had an interest in turning Jewish people against their own leaders and have them accept a new state religion, wouldn't that be a clever way to do it? This raises the question of whether the Romans modified and leveraged Christianity (including Scripture) for their own purposes.
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I believe Jesus is God in the flesh the Messiah, king and high priest of Israel and my Lord and Savior.
 
JustWondering

JustWondering

Jerk
Coder said:
Hi,

The Christian Scriptures record Jesus as asking "Who do you say that I am?" and I am interested in answers to that question and the basis for the answer. The Christian Scriptures indicate that the answer is that faith in Him is a gift from God.

I respect and love much of the wisdom found in both the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures, however, I think that the Christian Scriptures may be pragmatic in many ways and contain external influences. Some go as far as to propose that Jesus is a fictional figure. Do some think that Christianity is possibly a fable by the Roman Empire to have one state religion? I don't go that far but I do see that Christianity seems to incorporate elements from so many religions/beliefs in the Roman Empire at that time. Here is a list of Christian replacements of or commonality with former religions:

Jewish sacrifices -- new Sacrifice
Passover meal -- Christian "breaking of the bread" (Communion)
patron gods in Roman religion -- saints in Roman Church
Jupiter (sky father) in Roman religion -- God the Father
God as Father in Judaism -- God the Father
Jupiter (sky father) -- Jesus ascended into the sky
father-son gods in Roman religion -- Father and Son
Holy Spirit in Judaism -- Unity of the Trinity (Father-Son)
gods who impregnated women in Greek/Roman/pagan religion -- virgin birth
The human soul in Greek philosophy -- The belief in the soul
God breathes life into man in Judaism (Holy Spirit) -- Jesus is man by the Holy Spirit

Also one may wonder if it is coincidental that the Jewish Temple was destroyed by the Romans and Jewish sacrifices ceased. Some of the miracles of Jesus have close parallels in the Hebrew Scriptures. It is interesting that some responded to Jesus that some say He is Elijah. Also, one may wonder if some of the portrayal of Jewish leaders in Christian Scriptures accepted by the Roman Church was not based on Roman opposition to Judaism. At the same time, other Scripture passages seem to appeal to other Jews to accept this new religion (e.g. to form unity in the Empire). If the Roman government had an interest in turning Jewish people against their own leaders and have them accept a new state religion, wouldn't that be a clever way to do it? This raises the question of whether the Romans modified and leveraged Christianity (including Scripture) for their own purposes.
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I believe Jesus as depicted in the bible is a fictional character.
 
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I stand convinced that Jesus was ever a fictional figure meant to illustrate some proposals.
 
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