Who has the burden of proof?

[Thief]

So what? You need evidence that he does exist, not that he does not.


Look that up yourself, the 'laws of motion' only apply to classical physics. That they do not apply universally was established in your grandfather's time.

Cause and effect.
Substance is NOT 'self' starting.

It's a fact.

Spirit first. Someone had to snap the singularity into motion.

The spin and rotation are the evidence.
(been posting this for years!...where have you been?)

 

[Bunyip]

Cause and effect.
Substance is NOT 'self' starting.

Cause and effect do not apply.

It's a fact.

No. The fact is that cause and effect only apply to classical physics.

Spirit first. Someone had to snap the singularity into motion.

Why? Why would soemone need to do that? I see no reason, neither does logic or physics.

The spin and rotation are the evidence.
(been posting this for years!...where have you been?)

Well I've been reading your posts and wondering how often it is possible for a person to repeat the same fallacies and still retain any semblance of honesty. But yes I sure do see you repeating the same simple misconception about cause and effect as if it actually meant anything.

 

[Bunyip]

Theif

As a direct question - why do you keep repeating a fallacy that was disproven a century ago?,Why do you keep referring to cause and effect a century after it was shown not to apply universally?

What do you imagine this subterfuge gains for you?

 

[McBell]

(been posting this for years!...where have you been?)

Yep.
And still no one is buying it...

 

[McBell]

There is no evidence to say He does not.

If that is all it takes to ratify your faith, by all means, cling to it.

 

[Thief]

If that is all it takes to ratify your faith, by all means, cling to it.

Nay....I prefer science!

 

[Thief]

Cause and effect do not apply.

No. The fact is that cause and effect only apply to classical physics.

Why? Why would soemone need to do that? I see no reason, neither does logic or physics.

Well I've been reading your posts and wondering how often it is possible for a person to repeat the same fallacies and still retain any semblance of honesty. But yes I sure do see you repeating the same simple misconception about cause and effect as if it actually meant anything.

Your lack of faith and shallow retort are noted.

Back to title?

 

[Serenity7855]

Your lack of faith and shallow retort are noted.

Back to title?

You are of course right but you cannot convince the non-believers when they do not want to believe and all the time they think you are delusional for being who you are, especially aggressive atheists like Bunyip is.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Cause and effect.
Substance is NOT 'self' starting.

It's a fact.

Not really. In the realm of quantum physics, things can occur randomly and without apparent cause, and recent studies have demonstrated the existence of effects preceding causes:

Switching cause and effect in quantum world? A causes B causes A -- ScienceDaily
Quantum Diaries

Spirit first. Someone had to snap the singularity into motion.

First, prove that a cause was necessary, then prove that this cause was necessarily a "someone", then prove that this "someone" was necessarily some form of spirit.

 

[Bunyip]

Your lack of faith and shallow retort are noted.

Back to title?

It wasn't a shallow retort, it was a direct question - why not answer it?

 

[Bunyip]

You are of course right but you cannot convince the non-believers when they do not want to believe and all the time they think you are delusional for being who you are, especially aggressive atheists like Bunyip is.

You are the very definition of a bigot. You insult all atheists in almost every post. You are bias, predjudice and close minded bigotry personified.

You accuse me of being aggressive, and yet you are the one flinging the insults.

 

[Serenity7855]

You are the very definition of a bigot. You insult all atheists in almost every post. You are bias, predjudice and close minded bigotry personified.

You accuse me of being aggressive, and yet you are the one flinging the insults.

You post this to me

You are the very definition of a bigot. You insult all atheists in almost every post. You are bias, predjudice and close minded bigotry personified.

And this to "Thief"

Well I've been reading your posts and wondering how often it is possible for a person to repeat the same fallacies and still retain any semblance of honesty. But yes I sure do see you repeating the same simple misconception about cause and effect as if it actually meant anything.

And then accuse me of throwing insults? I just think that you like bismirching Christians with your vitriolic and disparaging venom.

 

[adi2d]

You are the very definition of a bigot. You insult all atheists in almost every post. You are bias, predjudice and close minded bigotry personified.

You accuse me of being aggressive, and yet you are the one flinging the insults.

You have to know he's going to come back with the usual. They started it!! They were mean to me so I had to be mean back. That seems to be his interpretation of proper communication

 

[Thief]

Not really. In the realm of quantum physics, things can occur randomly and without apparent cause, and recent studies have demonstrated the existence of effects preceding causes:

Switching cause and effect in quantum world? A causes B causes A -- ScienceDaily
Quantum Diaries


First, prove that a cause was necessary, then prove that this cause was necessarily a "someone", then prove that this "someone" was necessarily some form of spirit.

You are aware?...quantum mechanics doesn't have all of the answers.

Has it not occurred to you?.....the underpinnings that hold reality together happen at the smallest of scale?

How big do you think the singularity was?
hehehehehe

And God was there to set it into spin BEFORE it started to expand.
THAT'S where all of the obits and rotations come from.

Otherwise the universe would have been a simple explosion.
A hollow sphere of energy ....one pulse.

But that's not what we see when we look up.

 

[Thief]

You post this to me



And this to "Thief"



And then accuse me of throwing insults? I just think that you like bismirching Christians with your vitriolic and disparaging venom.

I think you got the wrong participant with your last line.

 

[Bunyip]

You post this to me



And this to "Thief"



And then accuse me of throwing insults? I just think that you like bismirching Christians with your vitriolic and disparaging venom.

Yes, I posted that comment because it is clearly true - you are a bigot and fling far, far more insults than you have recieved. Unlike you who 'bismurches' all atheists in almost every single post - I do not make generalised insults, I am not a bigot.

I do not, nor have I ever attacked Christians in general as you attack all atheists with your every hypocritical whining post.

Not only are you a bigot, you are also a liar - there was no vitriol or disparaging venom in my comment whatsoever, that is just how you revel in bearing false witness.

 

[McBell]

Nay....I prefer science!

Bold face lie.

You toss science out the window whenever it disagrees with your preconceived notions.

 

[McBell]

You are aware?...quantum mechanics doesn't have all of the answers.

Has it not occurred to you?.....the underpinnings that hold reality together happen at the smallest of scale?

How big do you think the singularity was?
hehehehehe

And God was there to set it into spin BEFORE it started to expand.
THAT'S where all of the obits and rotations come from.

Otherwise the universe would have been a simple explosion.
A hollow sphere of energy ....one pulse.

But that's not what we see when we look up.

and there it goes!
science out the window...

One wonders if your angel with the sword will allow such dishonesty to pass..?

 

[Serenity7855]

I think you got the wrong participant with your last line.

How so?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

You are aware?...quantum mechanics doesn't have all of the answers.

It does with regards to whether cause and effect is universal.

Has it not occurred to you?.....the underpinnings that hold reality together happen at the smallest of scale?

And I've just explained to you that, at the smallest scale, cause and effect doesn't apply. So you are wrong.

How big do you think the singularity was?
hehehehehe

It had zero volume. It didn't have a "size".

And God was there to set it into spin BEFORE it started to expand.
THAT'S where all of the obits and rotations come from.

Prove it.

Otherwise the universe would have been a simple explosion.
A hollow sphere of energy ....one pulse.

Prove it.

I have yet to see you demonstrate that a single claim of yours is true. Let me make this clear: Nobody in their right mind is going to believe what you say just because you say it, and just because you lack the understanding or imagination to see how the Universe could occur without a God - and that you feel the compulsion to make up your own explanations in order to fit God into the equation - doesn't make it true either. I want you to demonstrate your claims. Either do it now, or stop wasting our time.