Who is a Sikh in your eyes?

[WayFarer]

Sat Sri Akal,
Hello. I would like to know the general opinions on this board about Kesh and if you (as an individual) believes that it is necessary in order to be a Sikh. Along with a couple other things I may throw in as part of the poll (still in regard to Sikh identity).

 

[Charzhino]

''I believe anyone who follows the Siri Guru Granth Sahib as best as they can is a Sikh. ''

There are so many Sikhs who attain the uncut hair, wear turban, kesh but do acts such as drink, smoke, etc. Guru Nanak has made it very clear that ritualistic garments such as the Hindu sacred threads or Muslim cloaks do not make you a pious person, but it's strictly the action and deeds you perform. Truth is high, higher still is truthful living.

 

[Breathe]

(Although I love Sikhism, I'm not a Sikh at the time of writing (hehe) so I'm not voting on the poll)

This is something that I have wondered myself, since Sikhism is a faith that I hold a lot of respect and love for, and it is probably one of the closest religions to me and I hold a lot of Sikh beliefs - but for me, going to Sikhism has been made difficult because of kesh (growing the beard especially) and the usage of "Singh" as a name (though I could adopt it as an additional middle name, I couldn't adopt it as a surname).

Welcome to RF by the way, you two.

 

[GURSIKH]

sat sri akaal to all ,

i voted ''I believe anyone who follows the Siri Guru Granth Sahib as best as they can is a Sikh. ''

lets ask Guru who is a Sikh


Mėhlā 4.
Fourth Mehl:

Gur saṯgur kā jo sikẖ akẖā▫e so bẖalke uṯẖ har nām ḏẖi▫āvai.
One who calls himself a Sikh of the Guru, the True Guru, shall rise in the early morning hours and meditate on the Lord's Name.

Uḏam kare bẖalke parbẖāṯī isnān kare amriṯ sar nāvai.
Upon arising early in the morning, he is to bathe, and cleanse himself in the pool of nectar.

Upḏes gurū har har jap jāpai sabẖ kilvikẖ pāp ḏokẖ lėh jāvai.
Following the Instructions of the Guru, he is to chant the Name of the Lord, Har, Har. All sins, misdeeds and negativity shall be erased.

Fir cẖaṛai ḏivas gurbāṇī gāvai bahḏi▫ā uṯẖ▫ḏi▫ā har nām ḏẖi▫āvai.
Then, at the rising of the sun, he is to sing Gurbani; whether sitting down or standing up, he is to meditate on the Lord's Name.

Jo sās girās ḏẖi▫ā▫e merā har har so gursikẖ gurū man bẖāvai.
One who meditates on my Lord, Har, Har, with every breath and every morsel of food - that GurSikh becomes pleasing to the Guru's Mind.

Jis no ḏa▫i▫āl hovai merā su▫āmī ṯis gursikẖ gurū upḏes suṇāvai.
That person, unto whom my Lord and Master is kind and compassionate - upon that GurSikh, the Guru's Teachings are bestowed.

Jan Nānak ḏẖūṛ mangai ṯis gursikẖ kī jo āp japai avrah nām japāvai. ||2||
Servant Nanak begs for the dust of the feet of that GurSikh, who himself chants the Naam, and inspires others to chant it. ||2||


source guru granth sahib ang Sri Granth: Sri Guru Granth Sahib



Kesh ( 5 ks ) i think are also beautiful aspect of Sikhi , gave distinct saint-soldier identity to Sikhs/Khalsa , these are associated with Sikhs proud History /Present .

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Bhai Taru Singh Ji being scalped for refusing to cut his hair ​

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Mughals carrying the heads of Sikhs to market to collect their rewards.
The persecution of the Sikhs continued after the death of the Great Bhunda Singh Bahadur. Emperor Farukh Siyad issued orders to hunt them down where ever they could be found. In 1726 the governership of Lahor was handed to Zakariya Khan, who adopted strong measures to root out the Sikhs. A reward of Rs10 were offered for supplying information to the whereabouts of Sikhs. Rs 20 for pointing out a Sikh and Rs 50 for bringing the head of a Sikh and Rs80 for bringing in a live Sikh.

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Ahmad shah Abduli invaded India in December 1748 for the umpteenth time, as no help was forthcoming from Delhi Mir Mannu made peace with him. Abduli reinstated him as governor of Lahore and Multan. Seeing the rising power of the Sikhs Mir Mannu gave orders to seize them wher eever they were found, and put to death. Anyone who brought back a head of a Sikh would get a reward. Once on a special Muslim day Mannu ordered the beheading of 1,100 Sikhs and filled well with their heads. The Sikhs took it stoically reciting a verse which has now entered folklore.
Mannu is our sickle, we are the crop he mows, the more he cuts us, the more we grow.
When Sikhs were divested of their men he ordered the capture of the women and children. The women were made to suffer all manner of torture and degradation and often laid don their lives. Their children were pierced with spears and hacked into pieces before their eyes. They were made to wear garlands of their children. Not one of there ladies abandoned their faith, the supreme sacrifices made by these ladies are still remembered by Sikhs in their daily prayers to this day.



satnam

 

[Theodorus]

I voted for the Rehat Maryada as I think to understand from Section One, chapter I, article 1 that you need to faithfully believe in baptism. (Well I do...)
It no where says that you also need to actually take Amrit. (I haven't ......yet) Because when you actually do that then the Rehat says you indeed need the 5 K's. (Section Six, Chapter XIII, Article XXIV, sub.p) and to wear a turban (Section Four,chapter XI, Article XVII sub t).

 

[Breathe]

I suppose in my eyes I see kesh (and keski) as not being required, but if one feels they can do them, great, but I don't think it is essential to be a Sikh.

I partially have this view because of this verse in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji;

ਭਾਵੈ ਲਾਂਬੇ ਕੇਸ ਕਰੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਘਰਰਿ ਮੁਡਾਇ ॥੨੫॥
Bẖāvai lāʼnbe kes kar bẖāvai gẖarar mudā▫e. ||25||
You may have long hair, or you may shave your head bald. ||25||
Sri Granth: Sri Guru Granth Sahib

With this verse, I wonder how the Rehat Maryada can be reconciled. Is it a case of the Rehat Maryada being prescriptive, or a case of using the dictionary to define what a Sikh is, instead of the Holy Book - or, is there something else that was meant when Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji said, "My Sikh" instead of "Sikhs"? (Or am I talking nonsense and seeing into things too much? )

I personally see being a member of the Khalsa as being part of something more than just one being a Sikh, I see the Khalsa taker as one becoming a soldier and a saint who protects those in need, and yet at the same time, totally submitting to God even down to letting Him control the length of their hair, but I see anyone who follows the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji as a Sikh - and that one who takes Amritdhari and becomes an initiate into the Khalsa as a Sikh of Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji's saintly army.

Unfortunately not everyone is up to Khalsa, either emotionally or spiritually, and it feels as though for many non-Sikhs it can be more of a put-off to encounter talk of kesh and keski. I know this because the idea of being unable to cut my hair is uncomfortable to myself.

This is just my $0.02 though as a non-Sikh (or am I a Sikh now? I don't know ). I know it's not been written very tidily.

 

[ZoyaHayat]

I voted as 'Other'...because i personally believe Guru Nanak Dev Ji did'nt create a seperate religion-Sikhism...Sikhism was formed by a latter Guru...so i guess to attribute something on behalf of Guru Nanak Dev Ji's teachings is not wise...

 

[GURSIKH]

I voted as 'Other'...because i personally believe Guru Nanak Dev Ji did'nt create a seperate religion-Sikhism...Sikhism was formed by a latter Guru.....

hw?

 

[ZoyaHayat]

hw?

Hiya Gursikh...

Guru Nanak Dev Ji did not teach or preach anything different than Hinduism and Islam...both contained the elements of Monotheism...

Guru Nanak Dev Ji's writings were preserved in the combined Guru Granth Sahib...Guru Nanak Dev Ji did never say such sort of a proclamtion of a new religion...infact it was a way to salvation like many other faiths...it was a middle-ground between Islam and Hinduism...

For further references do refer to the Guru Granth Sahib ...

It was Guru Angad Dev Ji who collected and compiled Guru Nanak Dev Ji's Poems,sayings and teachings in the Guru Granth Sahib...the term 'Sikh' was not used for any of the two Gurus(i.e Guru Nanak Dev Ji and Guru Angad Dev Ji at that time)...

The term 'Sikh' was used or coined after the Khalsa was formed...

For example please refer to:

The Word ‘Sikh’




(Amrit Pal Singh ‘Amrit&#8217

The term ‘Sikh’ has extensively been used in Sri Dasam Granth Sahib of Guru Gobind Singh, hymns of Bhai Gurdas Ji and other Sikh texts. Even the religion started by Guru Nanak Dev Ji is mostly known as ‘Sikh Religion’. Thus, one can simply comprehend that this word is so significant in this religion.

It is widely accepted that the word ‘Sikh’ is derived from Sanskrit word ‘Shishya’, which is used for ‘disciple’. When we study the holy Gurbani, we come to the conclusion that the term ‘Sikh’ has been used for other meanings as well in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. The purpose of this article is to get an understanding of this word in context of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and other Sikh literature


Lets visit Dasam Granth Sahib here:

http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Dasam_Granth

So it clearly means the term 'Sikh' was'nt mentioned by Guru Nanak Dev Ji or in the Guru Granth Sahib...it was first mentioned by Guru Gobind Singh in his collective writings i.e the Dasam Granth Sahib...

I hope this might answer your tag question xxx

 

[Onkara]

Hi ZoyaHayat
Why do you say Islam, what in Sikhism is from Islam in your opinion, please? Quotes from the SGGS or any other source would be interesting. This is a question I have considered more than once myself

 

[ZoyaHayat]

Hi ZoyaHayat
Why do you say Islam, what in Sikhism is from Islam in your opinion, please? Quotes from the SGGS or any other source would be interesting. This is a question I have considered more than once myself

Hiya Onkarah ...

Below are a few similarities between Islam and Sikhism:

1)Both are strictly monotheistic...Both have belief in one God as the foundation of their theology...
2)Idol worship is considered a sin...
3)Belief in Deities is considered a sin...Belief that God can never take human forms or manifestations...
4)Women are supposed to cover their heads...
5)Men are supposed to wear turbans & keep beards...
and many more...

A few Poems in the Guru Granth Sahib:

SHALOK, FIRST MEHL:
It is difficult to be called a Muslim; if one is truly a Muslim, then he may be called one.
First, let him savor the religion of the Prophet as sweet; then, let his pride of his possessions be scraped away.
Becoming a true Muslim, a disciple of the faith of Mohammed, let him put aside the delusion of death and life.
As he submits to God’s Will, and surrenders to the Creator, he is rid of selfishness and conceit.
And when, O Nanak, he is merciful to all beings, only then shall he be called a Muslim.
Allah is hidden in every heart; reflect upon this in your mind. The One Lord is within both Hindu and Muslim; Kabir proclaims this out loud.
Be kind and compassionate to me, O Creator Lord. Bless me with devotion and meditation, O Lord Creator. Says Nanak, the Guru has rid me of doubt.
The Muslim God Allah and the Hindu God Paarbrahm are one and the same.

To be Muslim is to be kind-hearted, and wash away pollution from within the heart. He does not even approach worldly pleasures; he is pure, like flowers, silk, ghee and the deer-skin.
One who is blessed with the mercy and compassion of the Merciful Lord, is the manliest man among men. He alone is a Shaykh, a preacher, a Haji, and he alone is God’s slave, who is blessed with God’s Grace.
The Creator Lord has Creative Power; the Merciful Lord has Mercy. The Praises and the Love of the Merciful Lord are unfathomable.
Realize the True Hukam, the Command of the Lord, O Nanak; you shall be released from bondage, and carried across.

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim. My body and breath of life belong to Allah — to Raam — the God of both.
Says Kabir, this is what I say: meeting with the Guru, my Spiritual Teacher, I realize God, my Lord and Master

I hope Onkarah this shall answer your question xxx

 

[Onkara]

Hi ZoyaHayat

That is a nice answer, thank you!

 

[ZoyaHayat]

Hi ZoyaHayat

That is a nice answer, thank you!

You're welcome Mr xxx

 

[GURSIKH]

Aslam Zoya

Firstly , Sikhs never differentiate bw Guru Nanak sahib and other Guru sahib , All Guru sahib s saying /words/bani is present in Guru Granth sahib under one signature NANAK even scholars can't tell you by reading which Gurus bani is this !thre is only one way to differentiate bw words of All Guru and it is by checking MEHLA at the starting

ਗਉੜੀ ਬੈਰਾਗਣਿ ਮਹਲਾ ੪ ॥
गउड़ी बैरागणि महला ४ ॥
Ga▫oṛī bairāgaṇ mėhlā 4.
Gauree Bairaagan, Fourth Mehl: ( ie by Fourth Guru Sahib )

Hiya Gursikh...



So it clearly means the term 'Sikh' was'nt mentioned by Guru Nanak Dev Ji or in the Guru Granth Sahib...it was first mentioned by Guru Gobind Singh in his collective writings i.e the Dasam Granth Sahib...

I hope this might answer your tag question xxx

above is totally false ,untrue



"Sikh" is mentioned by Guru Nanak dev ji Several hundred Times and is nearly present in Guru Grranth sahib at nearly at Every Ang/PAGE .


Gur bacẖnī avigaṯ samā▫ī▫ai ṯaṯ niranjan sahj lahai.
Through the Guru's Word, one merges in the absolute, and intuitively receives the immaculate essence.

Nānak ḏūjī kār na karṇī sevai sikẖ so kẖoj lahai.
O Nanak, that Sikh who seeks and finds the Way does not serve any other.



Page 960, Line 12

Jan Nānak jis ḏai masṯak bẖāg ḏẖur likẖi▫ā so sikẖ gurū pėh āvai.
O servant Nanak, one who has such pre-ordained destiny inscribed upon his forehead - that Sikh comes to the Guru.

 

[ZoyaHayat]

Aslam Zoya

Firstly , Sikhs never differentiate bw Guru Nanak sahib and other Guru sahib , All Guru sahib s saying /words/bani is present in Guru Granth sahib under one signature NANAK even scholars can't tell you by reading which Gurus bani is this !thre is only one way to differentiate bw words of All Guru and it is by checking MEHLA at the starting

ਗਉੜੀ ਬੈਰਾਗਣਿ ਮਹਲਾ ੪ ॥
गउड़ी बैरागणि महला ४ ॥
Ga▫oṛī bairāgaṇ mėhlā 4.
Gauree Bairaagan, Fourth Mehl: ( ie by Fourth Guru Sahib )





above is totally false ,untrue



"Sikh" is mentioned by Guru Nanak dev ji Several hundred Times and is nearly present in Guru Grranth sahib at nearly at Every Ang/PAGE .


Gur bacẖnī avigaṯ samā▫ī▫ai ṯaṯ niranjan sahj lahai.
Through the Guru's Word, one merges in the absolute, and intuitively receives the immaculate essence.

Nānak ḏūjī kār na karṇī sevai sikẖ so kẖoj lahai.
O Nanak, that Sikh who seeks and finds the Way does not serve any other.



Page 960, Line 12

Jan Nānak jis ḏai masṯak bẖāg ḏẖur likẖi▫ā so sikẖ gurū pėh āvai.
O servant Nanak, one who has such pre-ordained destiny inscribed upon his forehead - that Sikh comes to the Guru.

Thank you Gursikh for your reply ...

The term 'Sikh' which you have populated from the Guru Granth Sahib does not denote a new set religion...in true essence it denotes as below:



The Word ‘Sikh’ for ‘Shikha’ (hair tuft): -

The word ‘Sikh’ has been used in the Gurbani for ‘Shikha’, ‘Choti’ or hair tuft also: -

Jab Nakh Sikh Eh Man Cheena.

(When I came to understand this mind, from the tips of my toes to hair tufts).
(Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, 972).

The word ‘Sikh’ for ‘Shikha’ or hair tufts has also been used in Sri Dasam Granth Sahib: -

Pahle Chandi Charitr Banaayo.
Nakh Sikh Te Kram Bhaakh Sunaayo.
(Bachitra Naatak, Sri Dasam Granth Sahib).

The Word ‘Sikh’ for ‘Sikheya’ or teaching: -

The word ‘Sikh’ has also been used for ‘Sikheya’ or teaching in the Gurbani. For example: -

Naanak Aakhai Re Manaa Suneeyai Sikh Sahee.
(Says Nanak, listen, O mind, to the True Teachings).
(Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, 953).

The Word ‘Sikh’ as an imperative verb: -

The word ‘Sikh’ has also been used as an imperative verb in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji: -

Gur Mil Chaj Achaar Sikh, Tudh Kade Na Lagai Dukh.
(Meeting with the Guru, learn proper conduct, and suffering shall never touch you).
(Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, 953).

The Word ‘Sikh’ for disciple (Common Noun): -

Mostly, the word ‘Sikh’, as a common noun, has been used for ‘disciple’ in the Gurbani: -

Guru Jina Ka Andhula Sikh Bhee Andhe Karam Karen.
(The disciples, whose teacher is blind, act blindly as well). (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, 951).

And,

Kabeer Sikh Saakha Bahute Keeye, Keso Keeyo Na Meet.
(O Kabeer! So many disciples and students are made, but has not made God his friend).
(Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, 1369).

At one place, Bhai Gurdas Ji describes how Bhagat Kabeer Ji got ‘Gur Mantra’ from Ramanand Ji. Then, Bhai Gurdas Ji says: -

Sun Partaap Kabeer Da, Dooja Sikh Hoya Sain Naayee.
(After listening the glory of Kabeer, Sain became [Ramanand Ji’s] second Sikh).

Here, the word ‘Sikh’ has been used for Bhagat Sain Ji. Bhagat Sain’s hymns are included in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Bhagat Sain Ji was a Sikh of Bhagat Ramanand Ji.

The Word ‘Sikh’ in Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji

In Sri Dasam Granth Sahib, the word ‘Sikh’ (disciple) has been used for many times. In ‘Rudra Avtar’, it is told that Datt Avtar made many Sikhs: -

Jal Madh Jaun Munde Apaar.
Ban Naam Taun Hvaige Kumaar.
Gir Madh Sikh Kine Anek.
Gir Bhes Sahat Samajho Bibek.163.

Bharath Bhanant Je Bhe Durant.
Bharathi Naam Ta Ke Bhanant.
Pur Jaas Sikh Kine Apaar.
Puri Naam Taun Jaan Bichaar.164.

Parbat Bikhai Saje Sikh Keen.
Parbat Su Naam Lai Taahe Deen.
Eh Bhaant Uchar Kar Panch Naam.
Tab Datt Dev Kinne Bisraam.165.

Saagar Manjhaar Je Sikh Keen.
Saagar Su Naam Tin Ke Prabeen.
Sarsut Teer Je Keen Chel.
Sarsuti Naam Tin Naam Mel.166.

Teerthan Beech Je Sikh Keen.
Teerath Su Naam Tin Ko Prabeen.
Jin Charan Datt Ke Gahe Aan.
Te Bhye Sarab Bidya Nidhaan.167.

Im Karat Sikh Jah Tah Bihaar.
Aasraman Beech Jo Jo Nihaar.
Tah Tahi Sikh Jo Keen Jaaye.
Aasram Su Naam Ko Tin Suhaaye.168.

Aarann Beech Jea Bhe Datt.
Sanyaas Raaj At Bimal Mat.
Tah Tah Su Keen Je Sikh Jaaye.
Arinn Naam Tin Ko Rakhaaye.169.
(Dattavtar, Sri Dasam Granth Sahib)

And

Hai Sabh Logan Ko Karta Brij Bheetar Hai Karta Eh Leela.
Sikhyan Ko Barat Har Hai Eh Saadhan Ko Harta Tan Heela. (…395).
(Krishnavtar, Sri Dasam Granth Sahib).

The Word ‘Sikh’ as synonymous to the word ‘Chela’

The word ‘Chela’ has again and again been used as a synonymous with the word ‘Sikh’ for ‘disciple’.

Saint Kabeer Ji has used the word ‘Chela’: -

Toon Satgur Hau Nautan Chela.
(You are the True Guru, and I am Your new disciple). (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, 324).

The word ‘Chela’ as synonymous with the word ‘Sikh’ has been used by Guru Nanak Dev Ji: -

Guru Paasoh Phir Chela Khaaye.
(The disciple feeds on the Guru). (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, 349).

Aavan Athhtrai Jaan Staanavai, Hor Bhee Uthhsi Mard Ka Chela.
(Coming in seventy-eight, they will depart in ninety-seven, and then another disciple of man will rise up). (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, 723).

Tera Kavan Guru Jis Ka Too Chela.
(Who is your guru? Whose disciple are you?). (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, 942).

Sabd Guru Surat Dhun Chela.
(Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, 943).

Guru Amardas Ji has used the word ‘Chela’ for disciple or Sikh:

Aape Gur Chela Hai Aape, Aape Dasse Ghaat.
(He Himself is the Guru, He Himself is the disciple, and He Himself shows the destination). (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, 517).

Guru Ramdas Ji used the word ‘Chela’ for disciple or Sikh:

Aape Satgur Aap Hai Chela, Updes Karai Prabh Aapai.
(He Himself is the True Guru, and He Himself is the disciple; God Himself imparts the Teachings). (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, 605).

Aape Gur Chela Hai Aape, Aape Har Prabh Choj Vidaani.
(He Himself is the Guru, and He Himself is the disciple; the Lord God Himself plays His wondrous games). (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, 669).

Jan Naanak Naam Pareyo Gur Chela, Gur Raakhoh Laaj Jan Ke.
(Servant Nanak is called the Gur-Chela; O Guru, save the honor of Your servant). (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, 731).

Bhai Gurdas Ji has used the word ‘Chela’ (disciple) frequently for Sikh in his hymns. For example: -

(1) Gur Chela, Chela Gur Hoyee. (15-16-7).

(2) Gur Chela, Chela Guru, Chele Parcha Parchaaya. (24-5-4).

(3) Gur Chela Parvaan Kar, Chaar Varan Lai Pairee Paaya. (24-12-4).

(4) Gur Angad Gur Ang Te, Gur Chela, Chela Gur Bhaaya. (26-34-2).

(5) Jo Gur Gopai Aapna Kyon Sijhai Chela. (34-2-1).

(6) Gur Govind Khudaaye Peer, Gur Chela, Chela Gur Hoya. (39-4-1).

In Sri Dasam Granth Sahib, the word ‘Chel’ (Chela) has been used for ‘Sikh’:

Saagar Manjhaar Je Sikh Keen.
Saagar Su Naam Tin Ke Prabeen.
Sarsut Teer Je Keen Chel.
Sarsuti Naam Tin Naam Mel.166.
(Datt Avtar, Sri Dasam Granth Sahib).

Thus, the word ‘Sikh’, if used for ‘disciple’, is synonymous with ‘Chela’.

If we go by this explanation, it can be said that Sri Ram Chandra was a Sikh of Sri Vashishth Ji, and Sri Krishna was a Sikh of Sri Sandeepan Ji.

When the word ‘Sikh’ is just a synonymous with ‘Chela’ or ‘disciple’, it is a common noun. The word ‘Chela’ can be used as a synonymous with the word ‘Sikh’, if the word ‘Sikh’ is used as a common noun.

 

[GURSIKH]

Zoya ji ,

i m not getting , kindly write in your own word s ?:thud:



for me Sikh = student of Guru .



for the status of Guru in Sikhi you can read my signature s below


and

i m not saying Sikhi is new , as Guru sahib says


Āḏ sacẖ jugāḏ sacẖ.
True In The Primal Beginning. True Throughout The Ages.

Hai bẖī sacẖ Nānak hosī bẖī sacẖ. ||1||
True Here And Now. O Nanak, Forever And Ever True. ||1||

 

[ZoyaHayat]

Zoya ji ,

i m not getting , kindly write in your own word s ?:thud:



for me Sikh = student of Guru .



for the status of Guru in Sikhi you can read my signature s below


and

i m not saying Sikhi is new , as Guru sahib says


Āḏ sacẖ jugāḏ sacẖ.
True In The Primal Beginning. True Throughout The Ages.

Hai bẖī sacẖ Nānak hosī bẖī sacẖ. ||1||
True Here And Now. O Nanak, Forever And Ever True. ||1||

Gursikh Ji ...

Mein inna hih keh rehi hegi ke Guru Nanak Dev Ji ne nai keya 'Sikh'...baadh vich Khalsa banan tho jaa ke naam 'Sikh' peya hega...bass inna hih keh rehi hegi mein ...'Sikh' koi dharam yah mazhab dha naam nai hega...balke ik soch vichaar ya...Parmaathma nu haasil karanh vaastay ...'Sikh' pehli vaar Dasam Granth Sahib vich likhi segi by Guru Gobind Singh as a new religious name...
Dhua kardhi ya houn tuhanu samjh aagaye ke nai heheheheh xxx

 

[Metempsychosis]

Gursikh Ji ...

Mein inna hih keh rehi hegi ke Guru Nanak Dev Ji ne nai keya 'Sikh'...baadh vich Khalsa banan tho jaa ke naam 'Sikh' peya hega...bass inna hih keh rehi hegi mein ...'Sikh' koi dharam yah mazhab dha naam nai hega...balke ik soch vichaar ya...Parmaathma nu haasil karanh vaastay ...'Sikh' pehli vaar Dasam Granth Sahib vich likhi segi by Guru Gobind Singh as a new religious name...
Dhua kardhi ya houn tuhanu samjh aagaye ke nai heheheheh xxx

I guess this is an English Forum.

 

[ZoyaHayat]

I guess this is an English Forum.

Whooooooooops...sorry Anti-religion **shy**...it is an English forum...hehehehehe...

Here is the translation to what i said:
"Mein inna hih keh rehi hegi ke Guru Nanak Dev Ji ne nai keya 'Sikh'...baadh vich Khalsa banan tho jaa ke naam 'Sikh' peya hega...bass inna hih keh rehi hegi mein ...'Sikh' koi dharam yah mazhab dha naam nai hega...balke ik soch vichaar ya...Parmaathma nu haasil karanh vaastay ...'Sikh' pehli vaar Dasam Granth Sahib vich likhi segi by Guru Gobind Singh as a new religious name...
Dhua kardhi ya houn tuhanu samjh aagaye ke nai heheheheh xxx"

This is what i was saying-Guru Nanak Dev Ji did not coin the term 'Sikh'...it was due to many years after him-when the Khalsa was formed-that coined the name 'Sikh'...'Sikh' is not a religion...it is a way to salvation to attain God...the term 'Sikh' or 'Sikhism' was first used in one of the Sikhism scriptures,the namely Dasam Granth Sahib by the Guru Gobind Singh...I hope this shall make sense now heheheheheh xxx

 

[Metempsychosis]

Whooooooooops...sorry Anti-religion **shy**...it is an English forum...hehehehehe...

Here is the translation to what i said:

I didn't require them anyway...Should be useful for others.