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Who is salvation for?

MashayachaahLabyaah

Hebrew Israelite
Who did Jesus Christ die for on the cross?

This is a question that the majority of people on the planet earth answer incorrectly. The standard answer you will hear is "everybody". That being said with all confidence by the person responding I now ask to show and prove this in the Holy Bible. First of all, the word "everybody" you will not find anywhere in the Holy Scriptures. Secondly, when you read the facts and quote the words of Jesus Christ, you will find that there is a totally opposite explanation. What the so-called preachers and pastors of the world teach out of their mouth is not matching the Truth of the Bible.


2nd Corinthians 4 verse 3 states, "if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost". This already sets the course we are on to show that even the Truth of Christ is not for everyone to see. There will be many that will be lost because of unbelief and because they were simply not chosen by Christ. Lets start at Matthew Chapter 1 verse 21. It states " And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins". Clearly we see that Mary was going to bring forth a son named Jesus (savior), and he had a people that he was going to save from sin. Let's proceed to Matthew 2:2. This statement shows Christ being called "King of the Jews". Jump down to verse 6 and read this profound statement: "And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, art not the least among the princes of Judah: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel". Outstanding! Praise God for the Truth! It cannot be denied that Christ's people that He would save are the Jews (Israelites). This scripture needs no interpretation, it speaks for itself. Let's now launch some more scriptural bombs at satan's lies!
Read Matthew 10:5 and you will see "These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them saying, go not into the way of the Gentiles (nations), and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. " Jesus Christ gave specific orders to his Apostles not to go to the nations, nor the Samaritans; why the samaritans? Because the real Samaritans were dispersed from their land and imposters, Cu****es were now residing there. Proof on this is in 2 Kings the 17th chapter. He told them to go specifically to the Israelites that were lost. Read now Matthew 18:11 and you will see that Christ himself tells you " For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost". Should not the Savior know whom he came to save? Matthew 15:24 also states "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel ". So not only did Christ send his disciples, but he himself knew who He was sent to by God the Father. Christ made this statement because a woman of another nation was begging him to heal her daughter and Christ rejected her. Now if Christ died for everybody, why would he reject anybody? When you read on in the story, the only reason Jesus Christ healed her daughter was because the greek (white) woman admitted that she and her people were dogs, otherwise He would not have done it. Another incident where Christ rejected a woman of the nations is found in John 4:21-22. She was one of the fallasian (false) Jews living in the land of Samaria mentioned earlier. Christ told her " Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father: ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews." Again, clearly we see who Christ brought salvation for. Finally we will go to Romans 9:4-5. " Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption (the cross), and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen. Nuff said.
 

Smoke

Done here.
It's nice to see that after all these years biblical illiteracy still has the power to justify and inspire racism.
 

kiwimac

Brother Napalm of God's Love
Your exegesis misses the fact the Jesus and the Syro-Phoenecian women continued to dialogue PAST that point and that Jesus healed her. I would also Jesus cannot be described as Black nor the Syro-Phoenecian woman as white. Both would have been a mid-Olive drab colour as both were of Middle-Eastern origin.

Furthermore what will you then do with 1st Peter which says: 18 Because Christ also once for all died for sins, the innocent One for the guilty many, in order to bring us to God. He was put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit, 1 Peter 3:18 (WEY) and 2 Corinthians 5:14-15 14 Clearly, Christ's love guides us. We are convinced of the fact that one man has died for all people. Therefore, all people have died. 15 He died for all people so that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for the man who died and was brought back to life for them. 2 Cor 5:14-15 (GW)
 

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
Jesus died for anyone who wants Him, anyone who calls to him. Jesus never discriminated against anyone. I don't see how we could have possibly have read the same Bible and get such a different message. Jesus never rejected that woman and He talked to Samaritans (the woman at the well, for instance and to everyone she called).
 

Sonic247

Well-Known Member
Well the Bible does say plainly that Christ died for eveyone-
For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
However during the thousand years when Christ reigns on earth he will be king in Jerusalem.The apostles thought that Christ came to do that immediatly at first-
Acts 1:6-
When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
But Jesus answered them-
Act 1:7-8 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
And that is were we are now the gospel is being preached around the world.

 

crystalonyx

Well-Known Member
Everybody. 1 Jn. 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

How could the supposed Jesus die for everybody, if much of the world never heard of him, or even if they did were in a culture that worshipped some other deity?
 

Aenea

Member
How could the supposed Jesus die for everybody, if much of the world never heard of him, or even if they did were in a culture that worshipped some other deity?

Because a public good knows no boundaries. If a church participates in the "Adopt-A-Highway" program, they clean up the roadside for everone, even if the world never heard of that church, and even if the world's culture worships material goods rather than the deity of that church.
 

mudge991

Member
He died and suffered for the sins of all those who will repent and believe in his name.

I would say there are a lot of weak minded people that cant stand up to the unknown without help.The most preposterous notion that H. Sapiens has up dreamed up is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of all the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of His creatures, can be swayed by their prayers, and becomes petulant if He does not receive this flattery. Yet this absurd fantasy, without a shred of evidence to bolster it, pays all the expenses of the oldest, largest, and least productive industry in all history.
 

crystalonyx

Well-Known Member
Because a public good knows no boundaries. If a church participates in the "Adopt-A-Highway" program, they clean up the roadside for everone, even if the world never heard of that church, and even if the world's culture worships material goods rather than the deity of that church.

Since when is Xianity a "public good"?
 

tomspug

Absorbant
Who did Jesus Christ die for on the cross?

This is a question that the majority of people on the planet earth answer incorrectly. The standard answer you will hear is "everybody". That being said with all confidence by the person responding I now ask to show and prove this in the Holy Bible. First of all, the word "everybody" you will not find anywhere in the Holy Scriptures. Secondly, when you read the facts and quote the words of Jesus Christ, you will find that there is a totally opposite explanation. What the so-called preachers and pastors of the world teach out of their mouth is not matching the Truth of the Bible.


2nd Corinthians 4 verse 3 states, "if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost". This already sets the course we are on to show that even the Truth of Christ is not for everyone to see. There will be many that will be lost because of unbelief and because they were simply not chosen by Christ. Lets start at Matthew Chapter 1 verse 21. It states " And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins". Clearly we see that Mary was going to bring forth a son named Jesus (savior), and he had a people that he was going to save from sin. Let's proceed to Matthew 2:2. This statement shows Christ being called "King of the Jews". Jump down to verse 6 and read this profound statement: "And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, art not the least among the princes of Judah: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel". Outstanding! Praise God for the Truth! It cannot be denied that Christ's people that He would save are the Jews (Israelites). This scripture needs no interpretation, it speaks for itself. Let's now launch some more scriptural bombs at satan's lies!
Read Matthew 10:5 and you will see "These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them saying, go not into the way of the Gentiles (nations), and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. " Jesus Christ gave specific orders to his Apostles not to go to the nations, nor the Samaritans; why the samaritans? Because the real Samaritans were dispersed from their land and imposters, Cu****es were now residing there. Proof on this is in 2 Kings the 17th chapter. He told them to go specifically to the Israelites that were lost. Read now Matthew 18:11 and you will see that Christ himself tells you " For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost". Should not the Savior know whom he came to save? Matthew 15:24 also states "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel ". So not only did Christ send his disciples, but he himself knew who He was sent to by God the Father. Christ made this statement because a woman of another nation was begging him to heal her daughter and Christ rejected her. Now if Christ died for everybody, why would he reject anybody? When you read on in the story, the only reason Jesus Christ healed her daughter was because the greek (white) woman admitted that she and her people were dogs, otherwise He would not have done it. Another incident where Christ rejected a woman of the nations is found in John 4:21-22. She was one of the fallasian (false) Jews living in the land of Samaria mentioned earlier. Christ told her " Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father: ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews." Again, clearly we see who Christ brought salvation for. Finally we will go to Romans 9:4-5. " Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption (the cross), and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen. Nuff said.
"For God so loved the world..." Nice try, though.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Salvation is a gift. Once received, good deeds follow.
Well that clears one thing up for me. So many of the people I encounter who claim to be "saved" are really quite unpleasant to those of us they believe are not "saved." I suppose it would be safe for me to say -- based on your statement -- that they're really not saved after all.
 

Captain Civic

version 2.0
Well that clears one thing up for me. So many of the people I encounter who claim to be "saved" are really quite unpleasant to those of us they believe are not "saved." I suppose it would be safe for me to say -- based on your statement -- that they're really not saved after all.

I think it's kinda touch and go in that sort of situation, but I'd say the most "unsaved" of Christians are those who love to live by the law and not the Spirit, eg. the God Hates **** "church".
 
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