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Who is the false prophet of Matthew 7
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Joshua Ray
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The Popes are the antichrist. In my opinion, Yeshua was probably never supposed to be worshipped, but he knew God. He was probably Gods son in the same sense that Solomon was considered Gods son in the Old Testament when God put his spirit on him. The early church probably twisted Yeshuas name, message, and identity so they could use him to make people kneel to and worship them. They have always considered themselves to be "like God." And if child molestation isn't the worst thing on the planet/the abomination of desolation, I don't know what is. And the reason it's happening is because there are people all across this planet that think they are like God and can get away with anything they want. If child molesters saw themselves as human, they would respect other humans and wouldn't do that.
BilliardsBall
Veteran Member
Ah, but I'm a Jew to us and a goy to the goyim... oh, never mind.
And just because the Popes are antichrist doesn't make all their doctrines wrong, just most. The RCC is "big" on the deity of Christ but also his mom! But thousands of Christian sects worship Y'shua regardless, and in fulfillment of prophecy:
He says, "It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant To raise up the tribes of Jacob and to restore the preserved ones of Israel; I will also make You a light of the nations So that My salvation may reach to the end of the earth." -- Isaiah 49:6
And just because the Popes are antichrist doesn't make all their doctrines wrong, just most. The RCC is "big" on the deity of Christ but also his mom! But thousands of Christian sects worship Y'shua regardless, and in fulfillment of prophecy:
He says, "It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant To raise up the tribes of Jacob and to restore the preserved ones of Israel; I will also make You a light of the nations So that My salvation may reach to the end of the earth." -- Isaiah 49:6
The thing is... what are you... to you. How do you stand before G-d, as a Jew or Goy?
As to the deification of Yeshua...
The intermediary is only prohibited to the Jew.
The non-Jew may pray to intermediaries such as saints.
So long as they do not create idols (graven images) or set up their intermediaries as a supreme being higher than G-d.
BilliardsBall
Veteran Member
I stand before G_d, my judge, a Jew born of Jews, circumcised on the 8th day after my birth in my home, not in a hospital, Bar-Mitzvah, zealous, a Jew, a Jew, a Jew, but I tell you the truth in Mashiach, I'm not lying, I wish that I could be cut off from my People, if possible, and from the world that is to come, if it meant that Israel would be saved. For OURS are the nabi, the mitzvoth, the Tanach, Pesach, Rosh Hashanah, and even the world...
...but also the Mashiach, who is Y'shua, considering Oneness with Ha Shem not stealing--for stealing violates our Decalogue, and in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge, and who may be seen if dimly in Talmud, Kabbalah, Zohar, prayer, and in a Tzaddik's imprecations to the Holy One.
anotherglenda
Member
Paul said :
Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Jesus said that Jesus was not equal to God
JN 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
Israel is also God's son, yet Israel isn't equal to God either or do you think it is?
EX 4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
Jesus was part of Israel: MK 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Just commenting in relation to the OP which notices the differences between what Jesus and Paul say.
BilliardsBall
Veteran Member
Saying the Father is above Jesus in position doesn't mean Jesus is anyone but God. Clearly, directly, literally, obviously, the Pharisees condemned Jesus for one thing only, since they couldn't find two or more witnesses to agree on any other charge--that Jesus said He is God.
anotherglenda
Member
God says you may not add to His Words. Jesus said the Father is greater than him.
You added 'in position'
Despite modifying scripture, you still agree that the Father is 'above' Jesus yet you still claim Jesus is God ... so according to you there are 2 Gods... a greater God who is the Father 'above' Jesus and a lesser God below the Father who is Jesus
About the condemnation of Jesus, maybe you missed the scripture which said that those two agreeing witnesses who enabled the condemnation of Jesus were FALSE witnesses, so if you base your claim on their testimony then you are sadly basing your claim and belief on their lie according to the gospel
MT 26:60 But found none: yea, though many false witnesses came, yet found they none. At the last came two false witnesses,
BilliardsBall
Veteran Member
Jesus wasn't condemned due to false witnesses, He was condemned by the Pharisees for blasphemy, equating Himself with God, and by the Romans for the crime of being the Jewish King. The people were to have a God King and not an earthly king (1 Samuel 8).
I didn't add "in position". Read Ephesians 1 or other chapters that explain Jesus's role about all and God's tri-unity.
Thanks.
BilliardsBall
Veteran Member
A super, balanced article on the reception of the NT:
New Testament Canon, NT canon, how was the bible formed, how did the New Testament come into the present form, the early christian church, second century new testament canon, third century, church fathers, when was the new testament canon agreed upon,the apocrypha
New Testament Canon, NT canon, how was the bible formed, how did the New Testament come into the present form, the early christian church, second century new testament canon, third century, church fathers, when was the new testament canon agreed upon,the apocrypha