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Who is the father of Jesus
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Volgin
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I being a muslim truly believe that Jesus Christ was a messenger sent by Almighty Allah, who was born to Mary without a father(a miracle). Also, He is not dead, He will return but not as a Prophet, since Prophethood ended on Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Would anyone please tell me about what is this trinity( Father, Son, Holy Ghost ). Who(namely) do you call the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost? What is the difference between the three?
There are many opinions regarding this; physically Jesus could be the son of Joseph, or of a man called Gabriel who according to the history of the Freemasons written by one Alex Lawry in 1805 a Grand Master in his time.
Apparently in those days the Freemasons were known as Rex Deus and this Gabriel was high priest at the time. Gabriel was also a line descendant of tribe of Levy, and Mary as a direct descendant of David was chosen to be the mother of the next high priest which Jesus was supposed to become. Back in those days the High Priests were not allowed to marry but the line of Levy had to be kept intact, and woman who was chosen were then married to a lessor member of the cult.
Should one believe the history of the Freemasons and their apparent dislike of Jesus which correspond to that of the Torah followers, then Jesus effectively turned against the inisiators of that religion and got himself killed for his efforts. In which case the Father he referred to was neither God Almighty nor Yahweh or any of the gods listed in scripture but a spiritual entity we have not known about until his arrival.
Apparently The Freemasons started back in the time of Jacob and the first name used was then fittingly called the Jacobinian mysteries, this makes one wonder who is behind religion in this day and age.
Hi, don't expect a satifying answer...The trinity is a very complex made up doctrine that has been adopted by "Christendom", with pagan elements. As you will understand, the Bible doesn't directly confirm the trinity. On such an important issue as God's identity, do you think he would be vague. Psalm 83:13 says: That they may know that thou alone, whose name is Jehovah, Art the Most High over all the earth.
He we have a clear scripture that 1. Says that Jehovah God is the only God. 2. His name is Jehovah 3. And that he alone is the Most High of the entire earth.
How people can read into this that there is such a thing as a Trinity, I have no idea.:sarcastic
By the way, here is the Athanasian creed to help confuse you more.
Athanasian Creed
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
and the name of the 3rd one is... (?)
Smoke
Done here.
In the Holy Trinity, the Father is the source of the Godhead. The Son is begotten of the Father and the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father. Exactly what the difference is, is not known, but the point is that the Son and the Holy Spirit have their origin in the Father, although he does not precede them in time and there was never a time when all three did not exist.
The Father is not "the Father" because he is the male parent of Jesus, but because he is the fount and origin of the Godhead.
Nor is the Holy Spirit the male parent of Jesus. Mary became pregnant through the action of the Holy Spirit, but it is not to be supposed that Jesus possesses the DNA of either the Father or the Holy Spirit, since it's obvious that neither one has DNA. It has not pleased the Lord to reveal to us (to use an Orthodox phrase) the exact manner in which Jesus was formed in the womb of Mary, but it would be a mistake to assume that either the Father or the Holy Spirit was his father in the genetic sense.
Christian theology aside, the father of Jesus was most likely Joseph, or if not, some close personal friend of Mary's.
St Giordano Bruno
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Why is the topic titled Who is the father of Jesus, as opposed to Who was the father of Jesus? Is that assuming the father of Jesus is still alive?
dogsgod
Well-Known Member
It's just a story so it doesn't really make any difference. It assumes Jesus really existed which is beside the point.
This common diagram doesn't make sense.
If I tell you I have three variables, A, B, C, and D, and that:
A = D
B = D
C = D
But,
A does not equal B
A does not equal C
B does not equal C
Then you'll just look at me funny, because it's basic logic that if A = D, and B = D, then A = B. (A = B = C = D)
So the diagram doesn't convey useful information.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Those who believe in the Trinity would believe that it is the same being as Allah.
Not all Christians, have or do believe in the Trinity in the same way.
However they all believe in One God.
Just as it is a Miracle or Mystery how Jesus was conceived, it is a mystery how three persons can be a single God. The concept of a trinity (singular God) was the best explanation, of how God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit made up one Godhead.
God is and remains singular.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
God is infinite
Jesus is infinite
the Holy Spirit is infinate.
add three infintes and it is still infinite.
Not in this context.
If Jesus, HS, and Yahweh are three distinct entities (hence the entire point of drawing a little triangle and explaining that HS != Jesus != Yahweh), then basically by definition they must be limited in some way. If they did not have a distinction, where one ends and another begins, then there would not be a need to say there is more than one being.
Infinite sets can be limited in certain ways.
For instance, if:
A = an infinite number of apples
B = an infinite number of oranges
C = an infinite number of pineapples
Then even though they are all infinite, A does not equal B, A does not equal C, and B does not equal C. (And they do not all equal some fourth party.)
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Indeed they do... an infinite number of fruit.
And yet they are seperate fruit.
Renji
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Holy Ghost is the Spirit that: 1) enabled Jesus to become a man. 2) dwelt within Jesus. The same Spirit that God breathed into man to give it life and the same spirit that He sent during the Pentecost.
Midnight Pete
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I think it's a pretty straightforward representation of what might be a mathematically impossible concept.
Trinity concept is a heretic concept invented by the clergy. Read Swedenborg on it.
Modern church is the beast of the bible and the "Faith is everything" concept the mark of the beast on the masses of churchgoers.
Swedenborg - Swedenborg is the last true prophet of Jesus, he who told truth about what Christianity is really about.
Swedenborg predicted the rise of Falun Gong across the world and he stems from the only city in the world called "Falun"...
In the city of Falun there is a river flowing. It divides the city in two parts, one divine side and one gruelling side, it is said in the local tradition....
On the gruelling side there is a massive hole to the underground, a famous old mining shaft...... On that side of the city no flowers or trees grow, while on the other side the city is very beautiful.....
Finally that Falu river is called the "yellow pale river", the same colour as the cymbol of Falun Dafa.
Well, there are some amazing things happening around us, let´s hope someone takes notice.
Modern church is the beast of the bible and the "Faith is everything" concept the mark of the beast on the masses of churchgoers.
Swedenborg - Swedenborg is the last true prophet of Jesus, he who told truth about what Christianity is really about.
Swedenborg predicted the rise of Falun Gong across the world and he stems from the only city in the world called "Falun"...
In the city of Falun there is a river flowing. It divides the city in two parts, one divine side and one gruelling side, it is said in the local tradition....
On the gruelling side there is a massive hole to the underground, a famous old mining shaft...... On that side of the city no flowers or trees grow, while on the other side the city is very beautiful.....
Finally that Falu river is called the "yellow pale river", the same colour as the cymbol of Falun Dafa.
Well, there are some amazing things happening around us, let´s hope someone takes notice.
Renji
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How did you know? It is written:
Matthew 7:15-16
[FONT="]Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?[/FONT]
Matthew 7:22,23
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
It is too dangerous for someone to easily accept that someone who 'preach' in the name of Christ is a true prophet already.
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