who is the founder of christianity Jesus or Paul ?

[outhouse]

I in fact know EXACTLY what each scripture points to. What they mean

Im going to claim your factually are in error here. YOU FACTUALLY are not the end all source for all things biblical.

Did your spirit tell you the Exodus never happen?
Did your spirit tell you there was no global flood?
Did your spirit tell you Abraham has no historicity?
Did your spirit tell you why Matthew is the first book in the NT?
Did the spirit tell you why Pauls epistles are in order?

 

[truthofscripture]

Do you even understand the parable of the mustard seed in context?

Why a mustard seed?

The mustard seed, being one of the tiniest seeds known to those in the middle East, grows into a huge tree like plant shading birds and other animals. It is similar to the Christian Congregation, being tiny at first and growing into millions as it is today.
The parable of the mustard seed is designed to show that the great community, consisting of those who are to participate in the Messianic kingdom, i.e., the true people of God as constituting the body politic of the future kingdom, is destined to develop from a small beginning into a vast multitude, and therefore to grow extensively; . . . “being a small flock, they were increased into a countless one.”
Why do you ask?

 

[outhouse]

The mustard seed, being one of the tiniest seeds known to those in the middle East, grows into a huge tree like plant shading birds and other animals. It is similar to the Christian Congregation, being tiny at first and growing into millions as it is today.
The parable of the mustard seed is designed to show that the great community, consisting of those who are to participate in the Messianic kingdom, i.e., the true people of God as constituting the body politic of the future kingdom, is destined to develop from a small beginning into a vast multitude, and therefore to grow extensively; . . . “being a small flock, they were increased into a countless one.”
Why do you ask?

That is decent and I agree. But many trees comes from a small seed and can grow into rather large proportions. There is a bit more to the story, that explains why those authors picked that exact plant. Im just wondering if you know it?

. “being a small flock, they were increased into a countless one.”

That really was not true of the first century, if you had stated later yes, its size was huge. But not then.

 

[truthofscripture]

That is decent and I agree. But many trees comes from a small seed and can grow into rather large proportions. There is a bit more to the story, that explains why those authors picked that exact plant. Im just wondering if you know it?



That really was not true of the first century, if you had stated later yes, its size was huge. But not then.

I answered your question, but you failed to answer mine.

 

[outhouse]

I answered your question, but you failed to answer mine.

You got it half right so far.

Why do you ask?

Giving you and example of the limits of your perceived self proclaimed knowledge as knowing all scriptures meaning in full.

Like it or not, your going to get more knowledge from me then it seems your god has chosen to educate you.

, grows into a huge tree like plant

It grows into a bush.


There is a bit more to the story, that explains why those authors picked that exact plant. Im just wondering if you know it?

 

[truthofscripture]

You got it half right so far.



Giving you and example of the limits of your perceived self proclaimed knowledge as knowing all scriptures meaning in full.

Like it or not, your going to get more knowledge from me then it seems your god has chosen to educate you.




It grows into a bush.


There is a bit more to the story, that explains why those authors picked that exact plant. Im just wondering if you know it?

No, I got it all right. You didn't answer my question.

 

[outhouse]

No, I got it all right.

No, your missing a very important element, after having your god teach you that the movement was countless in numbers 35 years after his death, when it was not that large.

You need a teacher my friend.

You didn't answer my question.

What exact question? I did answer the one question you asked as of why, below.


Giving you and example of the limits of your perceived self proclaimed knowledge as knowing all scriptures meaning in full.

Like it or not, your going to get more knowledge from me then it seems your god has chosen to educate you.

 

[truthofscripture]

No, your missing a very important element, after having your god teach you a mustard plant is a huge tree like plant, when it is a bush. And that the movement was countless in numbers 35 years after his death, when it was not that large.

You need a teacher my friend.



What exact question? I did answer the one question you asked as of why, below.


Giving you and example of the limits of your perceived self proclaimed knowledge as knowing all scriptures meaning in full.

Like it or not, your going to get more knowledge from me then it seems your god has chosen to educate you.

I asked you why you asked about the parable. What was your reason?

 

[truthofscripture]

No, your missing a very important element, after having your god teach you a mustard plant is a huge tree like plant, when it is a bush. And that the movement was countless in numbers 35 years after his death, when it was not that large.

You need a teacher my friend.



What exact question? I did answer the one question you asked as of why, below.


Giving you and example of the limits of your perceived self proclaimed knowledge as knowing all scriptures meaning in full.

Like it or not, your going to get more knowledge from me then it seems your god has chosen to educate you.

No, I don't need a teacher. You teach what religion teaches you. I teach what the scriptures teach. There is a HUGE difference.

 

[godnotgod]

Not possible. What I posted is in complete harmony with ALL the scriptures. No other meaning harmonizes. Nothing is painfully obvious, except that you have missed the sense of a few scriptures. Don't feel bad, it's not hard to do. Most people do miss the sense of ALL of the scriptures. I in fact know EXACTLY what each scripture points to. What they mean. Your postulations are not only wrong, but not polite. You claim that I have no experience. I am pretty certain that close to 50 years of critical and comparative study far outweighs your "experience", which is probably pretty meager. Many decades of studying and teaching do not point to what you claim. You are wrong.

In that case, you disagree with John 5:39

 

[godnotgod]

OK, well I guess that answers my question of who said it, but that doesn't mean it's true. I'm not aware of any scholarly research that substantiates these claims. We classicists would like to know more about Mithraism, but aside from some some of their meeting places that have been excavated, we have virtually nothing to go on. Nor is there any indication that Mithraism was a competitor of early Christianity, either in numbers or in focus. If anything, it seems to have been a rather closed group, something like modern Freemasonry, open only to initiates, whereas Christianity was open to all comers.

There is some speculation about what exactly Mithraists got up to in their grottoes, but it's hardly as detailed or certain as this author makes it out to be. There's a lot of imaginative speculation going on there that is being presented as fact, with a bit of outright distortion mixed in.

Assuming for the moment that Christianity did not derive the doctrine of blood sacrifice as a means of sin redemption from Mithraism, where do you suppose it originated from? The clear blue sky?

 

[truthofscripture]

In that case, you disagree with John 5:39

Why would I do that? You sure make a lot of assumptions. I assume that you will take that quotation out of context.

 

[outhouse]

I asked you why you asked about the parable. What was your reason?

To test your limits of your perceived self proclaimed knowledge as knowing all scriptures meaning in full.

And you do not, a real teacher is the only way to learn about more possibilities.

. I teach what the scriptures teach. There is a HUGE difference.

How can you? Your only teaching half the obvious parable here, your not teaching the full meaning here, you don't know about, because your god doesn't teach you all you need to know.

But I will whether you like it or not. Context is key here.

Last chance to finish.

 

[outhouse]

No, I don't need a teacher.

Yes you do.

Your blind to context of scripture. With no cultural and social anthropology, your blind to context.

Hell im blind, and much context is lost forever.

You teach what religion teaches you.

No, lol that is a factual error. Ask anyone who knows me here.

I teach what the scriptures teach

You think you do.

 

[truthofscripture]

To test your limits of your perceived self proclaimed knowledge as knowing all scriptures meaning in full.

And you do not, a real teacher is the only way to learn about more possibilities.



How can you? Your only teaching half the obvious parable here, your not teaching the full meaning here, you don't know about, because your god doesn't teach you all you need to know.

But I will whether you like it or not. Context is key here.

Last chance to finish.

You have nothing of value to teach.

 

[outhouse]

Mustard seed. "Possibility"

Cultural anthropology teaches us this plant for these people was an evasive weed, that could not be controlled. Your bible does not teach this, nor your god to you.

It was not in a garden as reported by Luke. As Matthew states it grew in fields. Contradiction.

So in context for the early Christian authors, all 3 communities, Mark, Matthew and Luke. Once the roots of Christianity took hold from a single seed [Jesus] , it could not be eliminated easily, and you could not control it. It would spread into many communities.

You got the whole plant thing right [no brainer] But you missed the whole context of the mustard seed as an evasive weed. Because you did not know how the authors viewed the plant.

A good teacher should have showed you this possibility since much of the context of some parables are lost forever, we will never know. less your self proclaimed knowledge

 

[godnotgod]

No, I don't need a teacher. You teach what religion teaches you. I teach what the scriptures teach. There is a HUGE difference.

No, you teach what you only think the scriptures mean, without having had the spiritual experience, which is what all scripture is about. You are the same audience Jesus was addressing in John 5:39, except that you persist in being arrogant about what you think you know.

 

[truthofscripture]

Mustard seed. "Possibility"

Cultural anthropology teaches us this plant for these people was an evasive weed, that could not be controlled. Your bible does not teach this, nor your god to you.

It was not in a garden as reported by Luke. As Matthew states it grew in fields. Contradiction.

So in context for the early Christian authors, all 3 communities, Mark, Matthew and Luke. Once the roots of Christianity took hold from a single seed [Jesus] , it could not be eliminated easily, and you could not control it. It would spread into many communities.

You got the whole plant thing right [no brainer] But you missed the whole context of the mustard seed as an evasive weed. Because you did not know how the authors viewed the plant.

A good teacher should have showed you this possibility since much of the context of some parables are lost forever, we will never know. less your self proclaimed knowledge

I think you meant invasive, not evasive. Evasive means to evade, to hide. Invasive means to invade. And there is not one single contradiction in the scriptures, from the first word to the last.

 

[godnotgod]

Why would I do that? .

Because, as you stated previously:

"I indicated that without studying carefully the scriptures, drawing close to Jehovah, and applying the scriptures in one's life, the proof of the scripture's truths cannot be experienced or known. Proving their truthfullness requires the one requiring the proof to follow the scriptures' teaching to acquire such proof. Proof does exist, but the veil placed over their meaning cannot be pierced in any other way."

You can't get to a true understanding of the scriptures via studying the scriptures. You can only attain such understanding via first having the spiritual experience that the scriptures are about. Then, with a transformed consciousness, you can correctly read the scriptures, the scriptures being a second hand account of the first hand spiritual experience.

The problem with your approach is that it uses a mind conditioned by society, and the spiritual experience is one that is beyond all social indoctrination. You are attempting to encapsulate the meanings of an experience that is beyond what the mind can conceive. Therefore, any conclusions you reach, no matter how cocksure you are about them, are erroneous.

Can't you see that it is obvious that you are doing exactly what Jesus advises against in John 5:39?

 

[outhouse]

I think you meant invasive, not evasive. Evasive means to evade, to hide. Invasive means to invade

Your correct. Good catch.

You knew where I was going. It was obvious.

And there is not one single contradiction in the scriptures, from the first word to the last

LOL good one.