2 years ago i have talked with a man introducing a new religion. i had no time then to listen to whatever he is saying with respect to my existing beliefs. i thought that this man is someone who feels so great to claim that he is indeed the second coming of Jesus! on my silent moment, i found myself reading his words and eventually concluded that this man really had a point. he has a heart to all people under the cruelty of dictators.he has a heart for all those suffering and asking for help. i think this man knows every way possible to change the world. he is against dictators. he hates rapists. he cares for everyone and he is in favor with abortion. i think he is someone worthy to be acknowledge. he has no superpowers but found science to be a tool to solve every equation. he is mu'tazilite. i am mu'tazilite and i think this religion has really a lot to offer for this is far better than what i was with 2 decade ago.
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who is this man?
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Engyo
Prince of Dorkness!
Whose responsibilitiy is it to free people from those dictators? How much force should be used to do this freeing?
K.Venugopal
Immobile Wanderer
Aren't Mu'tazilites a sect of Islam? Do you believe that Mohammad is the last prophet?
everyone in the world is responsible for freeing people from dictators. that is our duty to God. enough force should be applied depending on what is asked in the situation.
Regarding your question Venugopal, yes Mu'tazilah is a sect of Islam and Mohammed is the last prophet.Being so, he never preclude the possibility of Jesus' return. he balanced Jesus' pacifism and taught us to comfort the reality of war especially transnational, ideological war.Mohammed attempted to appeal to reason (which in today's language means the scientific method).The Mu'tazilah were particularly strong in that appeal to reason. Mohammed's religion caused suffering in the world but it binds good people to come together which is the good effect of that.
K.Venugopal
Immobile Wanderer
Please explain.
nothing new in this religion .. already this has been said in Vedic dharm and Buddhism. To be non - dogmatic , not belive in dicatators , not money but bliss is main aim of life through selfless work , charity , knowledge and devotion. all has been said before .. we just dont read our old scriptures and want to run behind something new coz that sounds cool.
Prasoon Dixit , Vedic Dharmi,
Reestablishing Vedic Dharma
Prasoon Dixit , Vedic Dharmi,
Reestablishing Vedic Dharma
mohammed's horrible teachings bring people into war. he slaves people, raid villages and all bad things only cruel dictators could do. he caused misery! In 2001, the misery was still there. Afghan women suffered to be beatin up instead of respecting them. but those cruelty has bond good christians to come together and fight for freeing people and value human rights. christians choose to fight to finally assist Afghan people from suffering. and those who manage to fight for freeing people are good christians, an effective mu'tazilite.
K.Venugopal
Immobile Wanderer
Do you consider yourself a Muslim or a follower of Islam? Or do you consider yourself a Mu'tazilite and wish not to be known as a Muslim?
You are correct Sukhi, nothing is new to this religion BUT DEFINITELY THERE IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT HERE. We are using different methods in solving problems in the world. We use science which we think can do so much to help heal unseen and forgotten problems in the world which others misunderstood and others never consider an option. You are also correct that non-dogmatic and not believing in dictators are all already said by others such as Vedic dharma and Buddhism but can you tell me how many temples of them had encourage people to fight for Afghanistan against beating of women? How many of their temples around the world ever say fight against the cruel chopping of tongues of men under Saddams dictatorship? How many Buddhist were lobbying George Bush to go to war to free these people? Which page of their book ever said you are duty-bound to help people especially those women being raped? This is the main reason why we are here. We are helping people to fight for their [FONT="][/FONT]
Right! Forget dogmatic acts instead take advantage of the chance to fight against those cruel dictators and live freely. This isnt just sounds good Sukhi, this means freeing people.
super.girl
in my heart
whats your religion ...??!!
Yes I am a Muslim. I am Mutazilite and Mutazilites are Muslims too. But I am not a follower of Islam because it is Mutazilites who leads Islam.Mutazilah is a sect of Islam. It is basically a combined true Islam, true communism and true Christianity having been able to interpret bible properly. On the other hand, if Christian interpretation may be applied on Quran, Quran can be a perfectly fine book to follow. Many Christian are asking for Islamic reformation and Mutazilah is the REFORMED ISLAM thats why I am happy to join forces with Christian, atheists and jews,hindus , Buddhist and everybody else to oppose non-Mutazilites. Nothing is wrong to being Muslim. I am happy for being one. More happy for being Mutazilite too.
K.Venugopal
Immobile Wanderer
I suggest you quit Islam because there would be no place in it for you anyway if you are going to severely criticize Mohammad. Organize the Mutazilites of the world and declare yourself as the world's newest religion, with roots going back to ancient times. What is your opinion about Sufis? Maybe they would also be willing to join you in the creation of a new religion.
It is Mu'tazilah Super.girl, a new religion that teaches how to use your strength and capabilities to overpower those that causes pain, those that slaves people, those that are responsible for cutting the tongues of Iraqi men, those that rapes women and stop those cruel acts of dictators! this is a religion that uses science to solve problem.it teaches how to fight for freedom and it never uses "love thy enemy" as an excuse for ignoring the victims of cruel acts.it is used to not mistreat criminals.that's the mission of a Mu'tazilites.
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Criticizing Mohammed doesn't mean no place in Islam. If that so, would it also mean that Christians who criticizes the bible for not outlawing slavery also mean no place in Christianity? What about those that refuses to torture their own child to death whenever they disobey their parent (Deuteronomy 21:18-21),would that mean no place in Christianity? Islam is the thing required to force Christians to face reality. So i wont be quitting Islam.
Sufis is also a sect of Islam just as Mu'tazilah. But definitely it differs a lot. Sufis gave a metaphorical meaning to Quran while Mu'tazilah on the other hand put their brain above the Quran. So basically it is hard to unite two different approach unless Sufis wish to twist their "interpretation" to align with Mu'tazilah, they are welcome to join. As well as those Christians who wish to twist their the bible until it both allows them to eat pork (regardless of what Leviticus 11:7 says),and lines up with everything else in Mu'tazilah.