Who is your God?

[AbuQuteiba]

No problem brother, you said why you disagree and I respect your opinion even though we differ.

Wait, why do we differ? Have you found any proof to back up the statement made? And trust me, it's not in the Qur'an.

 

[Laila]

Wait, why do we differ? Have you found any proof to back up the statement made? And trust me, it's not in the Qur'an.

No, I didn't say this is what will happen on the day of resurrection. I think I was explicit when I said I have no proof.

I feel there is nothing wrong with praising God and I'm in line with Einstein's thoughts on this specific matter.

 

[AbuQuteiba]

No, I didn't say this is what will happen on the day of resurrection. I think I was explicit when I said I have no proof.

I feel there is nothing wrong with praising God and I'm in line with Einstein's thoughts on this specific matter.

Oh, okay.

 

[Laila]

I don't know Laila...I read the verse many times in arabic, and it's pretty clear!
It's saying that Saleh's people took other alternatives rather than Allah...nothing about children...
Don't you mean Sorat Al Aaraf? "7:190

Yes Surah Al-A'raf.
There is nothing more I can say brother, the only suggestion I can think of is perhaps have a look at an online Arabic Quran. brother Cordoba has put some links on some of his threads. Looks, perhaps like we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[AbuQuteiba]

I'm not sure i totally understand the difference you two are having, but i think these verses might help:

[25.43] [45.23]

 

[Laila]

Thank you for participating in this discussion Einstein, I have a lot of respect for you.
Did you know I am half Egyptian another thing we share in common as well as being muslim?

 

[EiNsTeiN]

Thank you for participating in this discussion Einstein, I have a lot of respect for you.

I respect you too Laila, and glad to have you here

Did you know I am half Egyptian another thing we share in common as well as being muslim?

really?...did you visit egypt before?

There is nothing more I can say brother, the only suggestion I can think of is perhaps have a look at an online Arabic Quran

I have a hardcopy Quran anyway...
Is'nt the verse talking about Saleh?

 

[EiNsTeiN]

I'm not sure i totally understand the difference you two are having, but i think these verses might help:

[25.43] [45.23]

Hi champion
Well, these two versus are telling about those who follow their desires rather than God's order..
I think it doesn't mean God, as the concept we know, but it means God as these people are slaves for their desires..
Wa Allahu A'alam

 

[AbuQuteiba]

Hi champion
Well, these two versus are telling about those who follow their desires rather than God's order..
I think it doesn't mean God, as the concept we know, but it means God as these people are slaves for their desires..
Wa Allahu A'alam

You know what? We really don't need to get into what the verses i posted mean. I said before, i don't understand what going on, and i don't feel like reading it now, hehe.
Thanks though, Einstein.

 

[EiNsTeiN]

You know what? We really don't need to get into what the verses i posted mean. I said before, i don't understand what going on, and i don't feel like reading it now, hehe.
Thanks though, Einstein.

Not at all dear friend

I'm not feel like discussing anything right now, so I'm leaving!

See ya all soon..

 

[Laila]

really?...did you visit egypt before?

my father is Egyptian sometimes we visit family in Cairo.

I have a hardcopy Quran anyway...
Is'nt the verse talking about Saleh?

Not specifically brother.

here is the translation again from http://www.islambasics.com/view.php?bkID=120, Cordoba put this on one of his labelled good english Quran translation.

sorry I can't seem to copy and paste the verses here is the direct link to surah 7:189-191.
http://www.islambasics.com/view.php?bkID=120&chapter=7

 

[Laila]

Well, these two versus ( [25.43] [45.23])are telling about those who follow their desires rather than God's order..
I think it doesn't mean God, as the concept we know, but it means God as these people are slaves for their desires..
Wa Allahu A'alam

Spot on brother, I'm in total agreement with you.

 

[astarath]

Iam(Yahweh) is my God and the Torah/Bible/Qu'ran are all parts of his word

 

[TashaN]

Your god is whoever or whatever occupies your mind most of the time.
Your god can be your children (7:190)

According to the Tafseer, this is about Adam and Eve after the fall from heaven when Eve got pregnant --her pervious pregnancy were failing-- then Satan came to her asking her to name it الحارث"al-harith" and he will live, then she named it so and he delivered the baby and he lived. God mentioned this to show how our desire for certain things like "children" might drive us into false belief and losing the hope in Allah, so instead of asking Allah for things, some might go for other ways in things which no one can help us in it except Allah, which is absolutely wrong because it's an act of disobedience.

your spouse (9:24)

This is again another act of disobedience.

your business (18:35)

This verse show a man in disbelief in the things which Allah gave to him, thinking that he did it by his own power and efforts.

or your ego (25:43).

This verse is an example about people before Islam who were worshipping a specific stone for instance then change into another based on plain desires and falsehood.

 

[Laila]

Thanks for your input TT.

 

[fullyveiled muslimah]

Even though I disagree with the orginal site the OP came from, the basic premise is fine. To remain in the dhikr of Allah ensures that the heart is affected. If it penetrates into the heart, then perhaps when munkar and nakeer approach us, then the expression of true belief in Allah can come from the heart. After all, what was never in the heart cannot emerge from it later. That is why the sunnah of the prophet is so important because it is the ultimate dhikr. It is dhikr on a practical level rather than only dhikr of the tongue which may never exceed the tongue to effect the heart and thus stand as an accusation from Allah.

 

[mohamedhassan]

Asalamulkum. Just out of curiosity can someone tell me where it says in the quran that we pray 5 times? i havn't come across that yet

 

[Darkness]

Your god is whoever or whatever occupies your mind most of the time.
Your god can be your children (7:190), your spouse (9:24), your business (18:35), or your ego (25:43). This is why we note that one of the most important and most repeated commandments in the Quran is:
"O you who believe, you shall remember God frequently; glorify Him day and night." [33:41]
To put this commandment into practice, we must establish certain habits whereby we guarantee that God occupies our minds more than anything else. The Quran helps us establish such soul saving habits:

3. God Willing (IN SHAA ALLAH): "You shall not say, `I will do this or that tomorrow,' without saying, `God willing' (IN SHAA ALLAH). If you forget to do this, then apologize and say, `May my Lord guide me to do better next time.'" [18:24]. This is a direct commandment that we must carry out, no matter who we are talking with.

If everything we do is to be in accordance with the commandment(s) of God, what is the purpose in living? I am aware you will probably not understand me, but I will try to clairify myself. If we are here on this earth, created by God, merely to do his will or rather, be an instrument of his will, why do we exist as individual personas at all. The purpose of creation is to bring into being something unique. Something which has its own individuality from amongst the rest of the sea.

Do not take offense at my words. I have no quarrel with the religion of Islam, save that whole eternal hell part. More over, I have no quarrel with Muslims.

 

[TashaN]

If everything we do is to be in accordance with the commandment(s) of God, what is the purpose in living? I am aware you will probably not understand me, but I will try to clairify myself. If we are here on this earth, created by God, merely to do his will or rather, be an instrument of his will, why do we exist as individual personas at all. The purpose of creation is to bring into being something unique. Something which has its own individuality from amongst the rest of the sea.

Do not take offense at my words. I have no quarrel with the religion of Islam, save that whole eternal hell part. More over, I have no quarrel with Muslims.

Don't worry, i wasn't offended by what you said nor anyone will be so in here, i reckon. You are always welcome to comment and share with us.

Well, regarding the purpose of life, i agree with you, God created us to be unique, if that's not the case, we would be just like Angels. In order to understand our situation on earth we have to go back a little bit to see how did Adam fall from heaven to earth. He wasn't a king nor Angels were protecting him and serve him. He was just a human being on earth, along with Eve. It was the beginning of the trial of this life.

I don't think it's a good idea to use the entire OP because it was taken from a rejected site by Muslims, but we just tried our best to concentrate in the idea in general. Anyway, the point i was trying to make in here based on your questions is that, God gave us free will, that's right, but that doesn't mean we can deny his existance for instance. The more we are near to God, the more we succeed in this life, and feel happy, without depression or any other problems we might face in this life. Being near to God is the way to know ourselves more and more. To get more information about this, i wrote about this issue in one of the threads and i hope you will get benefit from it.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=582156#post582156

Post # 88 & 89.

 

[TashaN]

Thanks for your input TT.

You are most welcome.