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Who really killed the Giant Goliath?
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Adriel
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the answer is beautiful in it's simplicity. Neither. The stories of goliath are most likely just as false as the rest of the bible. Did Goliath exist? possibly, but I'm assuming that if he did, then many if not all stories that come from the bible concerning his life and death are wrong.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Where are the bones of Goliath or any other giants?
rojse
RF Addict
The Creationist Museum.
And it just doesn't get much more insightful than that ...
Parenthetically ...
Among the various suggestions put forth to resolve this contradiction is B. Mazar's proposal that Elhanan the son of Jaare (יערי is to be identified with David son of Jesse (ישי. Elhanan was David's true name before he ascended the throne, while Jaare is a corruption of Jesse (see*David). [source]
which is intriguing and consistent with the belief that our current Tanakh is the product of generations of redaction. is to be identified with David son of Jesse (ישי. Elhanan was David's true name before he ascended the throne, while Jaare is a corruption of Jesse (see*David). [source]
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
Parenthetically ...
Among the various suggestions put forth to resolve this contradiction is B. Mazar's proposal that Elhanan the son of Jaare (יעריwhich is intriguing and consistent with the belief that our current Tanakh is the product of generations of redaction.
Jay, would you pleae answer what motivates you? You are most interstingly a man of great knowledge, but what drives you? Have you been studying religious matters most of your life?
If that is too personal I understand, but thought I'd ask.
Thanks...
Not really. Mazar's proposal is new to me - hardly indicative of "great knowledge." It is, however, indicative of respect for subject matter and a willingness to at least casually research a topic before deigning to instruct others on it.
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Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
Amen to that, but I wasn't just suggesting this response warrants the title of someone with great knowledge, but overall. As a result I cant help but be curious about your background and length of time researching all things related.
Thanks...
Very well: it took about 90 seconds and a minimal familiarity with a search engine to find the reference quoted above -- which speaks more to Adriel's blather and your amazement than my knowledge.
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
No problem, you are not interested in discussing your personal affairs.
You did misunderstood my post, even the second one.
I said clearly it was not your response to this thread in particular, but overall throughout the forum.
I know that I am young and you dislike how I discuss topics, but people change.
Interesting point you make Jayhawker. I would like to suggest that the real killer was NOT David but Elhanan as 2 Sam 21 points out. The story in 1 Sam 17 has one big flaw, and some minner ones, in it indication it is really a very nice legend to make David look like a great man.
Beginning In v. 54 the story says that David cut off the head of Goliath and took it to JERUSALEM where David presents it to Saul. JERUSALEM was not in Hebrew hands, it was in the hands of the Jebusites, till after Saul was killed and David captured it. So this ferrytail of David and Goliath is just that. This indicates that the pro-David version of the story is borrowed from the Elhanan source to bolster David in the eyes of the people of Judia. I thought it was interesting that the Encycl. Judaica pointed out also, that there was a CONTRADICTION between 1 Sam 17 and 2 Sam 21. Only one story can be true.
Beginning In v. 54 the story says that David cut off the head of Goliath and took it to JERUSALEM where David presents it to Saul. JERUSALEM was not in Hebrew hands, it was in the hands of the Jebusites, till after Saul was killed and David captured it. So this ferrytail of David and Goliath is just that. This indicates that the pro-David version of the story is borrowed from the Elhanan source to bolster David in the eyes of the people of Judia. I thought it was interesting that the Encycl. Judaica pointed out also, that there was a CONTRADICTION between 1 Sam 17 and 2 Sam 21. Only one story can be true.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Wait, is this one of those things that 1) really happened as described in the bible; 2) didn't happen, and is just a metaphor; 3) did happen, and is a metaphor; 4) may or may not have happened, and may or may not be a metaphor; 5) is co-opted from an earlier religion, and may or may not be a metaphor; or 6) any combination of 1 through 5?
I go for #4. I do know that the name Goliath had been found on a table in Israel not too long ago.
All uppercase ... oh my! rolleyes:
I did that just for you Jayhawker. You liked my "Birds" with upper case so i thought you would really like "CONTRADICTION"
even more. Like to keep the young people happy.
Trust me: few things are like to make me more happy than being called a young person ...I did that just for you Jayhawker. You liked my "Birds" with upper case so i thought you would really like "CONTRADICTION"
Azakel
Liebe ist für alle da
Wait, didn't Jay post something that explains that David is Elhanan?
Wait, he did.(look below).
Thank you for taking the time and sharing ^_^Parenthetically ...Among the various suggestions put forth to resolve this contradiction is B. Mazar's proposal that Elhanan the son of Jaare (יעריwhich is intriguing and consistent with the belief that our current Tanakh is the product of generations of redaction.
Hi Azakel ~ When you read the story of Elhanan killing Goliath, David was already King and "grew weary" and Elkanan is a member of David' elite fighting group known as "The Thirty." So how could David and Elkanan be the same person?? To me, Jayhawkes suggestion has no foundation to it.