who rules the world

[may]

WHO​

RULES THIS WORLD?​

Jesus never doubted that Satan is the ruler of this world. In some miraculous way, Satan once showed Jesus "all the kingdoms of the world and their glory." Satan then promised Jesus: "All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me." (Matthew 4:8, 9; Luke 4:5, 6) Think about this. Would that offer have been a temptation to Jesus if Satan was not the ruler of these kingdoms? Jesus did not deny that all these worldly governments were Satan’s. Surely, Jesus would have done that if Satan was not the power behind them.​

Of course, Jehovah is the Almighty God, the Creator of the marvelous universe. (Revelation 4:11) Yet, nowhere does the Bible say that either Jehovah God or Jesus Christ is ruler of this world. In fact, Jesus specifically referred to Satan as "the ruler of this world." (John 12:31; 14:30; 16:11) The Bible even refers to Satan the Devil as "the god of this system of things." (2 Corinthians 4:3, 4) Regarding this opposer, or Satan, the Christian apostle John wrote: "The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one."—1 John 5:19.

 

[Super Universe]

Before Christ came Lucifer was the planetary prince of the earth. Lucifer was not in charge of any human government or any human being, nor was he in charge of any 3rd dimensional material thing. Lucifer's charge was to control the access to the higher dimensions that lead to heaven.

Lucifer is an angel. Angels are beings created by very powerful ascended beings who work for the universe and indirectly God. Angels do not come from God and they do not meet God unless they themselves choose a universal career and ascend to heaven as souls do.

Lucifer knew he was to be replaced by Christ once Christ had completed his bestowal mission. Lucifer chose the perfect time to rebel, while Christ was bestowed upon the earth in human form. Christ warned Lucifer many times and asked him to repent but Lucifer refused.

Once Christ's body died His spirit rose to assume His position of leadership in the higher dimension (not heaven) and Lucifer was placed in confinement where he remains until his judgement by higher ascended beings known as the Ancient of Days.

Lucifer has no power over anyone so do not even attempt to give him any because he is nothing.

 

[may]

Lucifer has no power over anyone so do not even attempt to give him any because he is nothing.

Lucifer is not a name Scripturally given to Satan.
The pride of the Babylonian rulers indeed reflected the attitude of "the god of this system of things"—Satan the Devil. (2 Corinthians 4:4) and the bible tells us that the wicked one satan the devil is the ruler of the world 1 JOHN 5;19

 

[!Fluffy!]

So my question to the op would be "who is the ruler of satan?"

 

[silvermoon383]

Is it not plausible that Satan offered the earthly kingdoms even though he didn't own them? Satan is the Great Deciever and I don't see it being beyond him to offer something that's not his.

 

[may]

So my question to the op would be "who is the ruler of satan?"

Satan​

the Devil​

Definition: The spirit creature who is the chief adversary of Jehovah God and of all who worship the true God. The name Satan was given to him because of his becoming a resister of Jehovah. Satan is also known as the Devil, because he is the foremost slanderer of God. Satan is described as the original serpent, evidently because of his using a serpent in Eden to deceive Eve, and for this reason "serpent" came to signify "deceiver." In the book of Revelation, the symbolism of a devouring dragon is also applied to Satan....................... so the ruler of satan is himself

 

[may]

Is it not plausible that Satan offered the earthly kingdoms even though he didn't own them? Satan is the Great Deciever and I don't see it being beyond him to offer something that's not his.

as Jesus always spoke truth , i would think Jesus would have said at that point they are not yours to give me . but Jesus knew full well that the whole world was in Satans power . yes satan knows when to try and get at a person , it is at a persons most vunrable time, Jesus with the wisdom that he had could have ruled better than any man , but Jesus knew that it was not the time for him to take up kingship of Gods heavenly kingdom at that time . it would be at a future time , and his kingdom was no part of the world ,it would be in heaven Daniel 2;44 Daniel 7;13-14 he was not going to let satan get him to go out of line with his father Jehovahs purpose. satan is always in opposition to Gods purpose.

 

[Super Universe]

Lucifer is not a name scripturaly given to Satan? No, because Lucifer and Satan are two different beings involved in the Lucifer led rebellion.

If Satan or Lucifer were the true ruler of the world then Christ would never have been able to bestow here. Also, if it were true there would be NO good whatsoever.

The foremost slanderer's of God are the ancient priests who told the people that God sends terrible storms, that God was jealous or angry, and taught that God kills. There is nothing worse, and more incorrect, that can be said about the Creator.

Satan is not described as the original serpent in Genesis. It's a later invention that is incorrect interpretation. The priest's made this mistake thousands of years after Genesis was written.

Lucifer, Satan, and Beelzebub's denied God's existence and the worth of heaven and thus rebelled but while the ancient human priests who lied about God they still had the protection of God's unending forgiveness for three dimensional beings.

Lucifer, Satan, and Beelzebub aren't three dimensional beings so they are not so entitled but still Christ asked them to repent but Lucifer refused.

 

[HopefulNikki]

WHO RULES THIS WORLD?

Starbucks and Oprah Winfrey.

 

[A4B4]

I think you should also consider the Jewish perspective of Satan being the challenger or tempter, with which I agree. Here, Satan is doing just that--tempting. He doesn't have to be in charge of the world, he just has to tempt us and challenge us.

 

[may]

Is it not plausible that Satan offered the earthly kingdoms even though he didn't own them? Satan is the Great Deciever and I don't see it being beyond him to offer something that's not his.

satan was tryng to get Jesus
to not go along with Jehovahs purpose , but to get the glory on his own terms. at that point in time , it was not the time for Jesus to be a king but Satan was tryng to get Jesus to be a king at that time, if he had done that then he would have been working out of line with his fathers purpose . but Jesus was not misled to be decieved by satan , even though it must have looked good , he kept interity to God and Gods purpose . yes satan is the biggest deciever out. he is also the father of the lie.

 

[may]

If Satan or Lucifer were the true ruler of the world then Christ would never have been able to bestow here. Also,

satan is the ruler of this world as ...1 john 5;19 tells us, the whole world is in the power of the wicked one. this has been an ongong thing since the rebellion in the garden of eden. and dont think that the Almighty Jehovah cannot make his purpose come to be . remember that his name actually means ..............HE CAUSES TO BECOME........... so if it was Jehovahs purpose to sent his son to the earth it will come to be regardless of satan . John 3;16. Nothing and noone can stop Jehovahs purpose from coming to be . the ongoing purpose to bring this earth back to paradise conditions with humans living forever on it , will come to be regardless of the spanner that satan has put in the works.

 

[McBell]

WHO​

RULES THIS WORLD?​

Man.
Though there are many species that do not pay man any never mind unless man interferes with them.
​

 

[Super Universe]

satan is the ruler of this world as ...1 john 5;19 tells us, the whole world is in the power of the wicked one. this has been an ongong thing since the rebellion in the garden of eden. and dont think that the Almighty Jehovah cannot make his purpose come to be . remember that his name actually means ..............HE CAUSES TO BECOME........... so if it was Jehovahs purpose to sent his son to the earth it will come to be regardless of satan . John 3;16. Nothing and noone can stop Jehovahs purpose from coming to be . the ongoing purpose to bring this earth back to paradise conditions with humans living forever on it , will come to be regardless of the spanner that satan has put in the works.

John 5:19

Jesus gave them this answer: "I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

I'm not sure how you interpret this to mean that the whole world is in the power of the wicked one.

There was no rebellion in the Garden of Eden. Eve made a mistake but her intentions were good. She did not rebel and neither did Adam. Where are you getting this from?

God's purpose was not to send His Son to the earth. It was His desire so that this area of the universe would have a representative of God to see that it abides by God's original intent which is free will for all personalities, biologic hosting of spirit, and soul ascention. Christ controls the access from the lower dimensions (3rd and 4th) to the higher dimensions (5th through 11th and then heaven).

The earth is going to become a paradise of sorts but it's never going to replace or equal heaven. The paradise on earth is going to come from it's inhabitants, humans.

Once the veil is lifted all will know God, they will feel His presence always. They will see all life as equal, their selfishness will be gone forever. Humans will live longer and eat much less but they will not live forever. The earth is only a temporary layover, it's not a replacement for heaven.

 

[Darkness]

Before Christ came Lucifer was the planetary prince of the earth. Lucifer was not in charge of any human government or any human being, nor was he in charge of any 3rd dimensional material thing. Lucifer's charge was to control the access to the higher dimensions that lead to heaven.

Lucifer is an angel. Angels are beings created by very powerful ascended beings who work for the universe and indirectly God. Angels do not come from God and they do not meet God unless they themselves choose a universal career and ascend to heaven as souls do.

Lucifer knew he was to be replaced by Christ once Christ had completed his bestowal mission. Lucifer chose the perfect time to rebel, while Christ was bestowed upon the earth in human form. Christ warned Lucifer many times and asked him to repent but Lucifer refused.

Once Christ's body died His spirit rose to assume His position of leadership in the higher dimension (not heaven) and Lucifer was placed in confinement where he remains until his judgement by higher ascended beings known as the Ancient of Days.

Lucifer has no power over anyone so do not even attempt to give him any because he is nothing.

Super Universe, this is the Christian section of the Religious Forums. You are not supposed to be debating your own views here. Christians only use the Bible as their source of information not the Urantia or whatever it is called. If you want to point out something you think is revealed in the Bible, do so, but please don't flood this section with your Religious ideas. It destroys the purpose of this section of the forum.

 

[Super Universe]

Since you love to give order to others I'll give you some of your own. Don't place your rules upon me. You hold no authority over me and you're generalized assessment of Christians is very lacking.

Christians are a varied group. They are not just the closed minded fire and brimstone bible thumpers who can quote any part of the bible and still misunderstand the meaning.

I do not have to conform to your view or any closed minded Christians view to be a true Christian. I only have to do my best to follow Christ's teachings.

Everything I've posted is in the bible, it's just been misinterpreted for thousands of years.

 

[Darkness]

Super Universe, accept my apologies. I had no idea you considered yourself a Christian.

 

[Super Universe]

Apology accepted.

 

[may]

John 5:19

Jesus gave them this answer: "I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

I'm not sure how you interpret this to mean that the whole world is in the power of the wicked one.

There was no rebellion in the Garden of Eden. Eve made a mistake but her intentions were good. She did not rebel and neither did Adam. Where are you getting this from?

God's purpose was not to send His Son to the earth. It was His desire so that this area of the universe would have a representative of God to see that it abides by God's original intent which is free will for all personalities, biologic hosting of spirit, and soul ascention. Christ controls the access from the lower dimensions (3rd and 4th) to the higher dimensions (5th through 11th and then heaven).

The earth is going to become a paradise of sorts but it's never going to replace or equal heaven. The paradise on earth is going to come from it's inhabitants, humans.

Once the veil is lifted all will know God, they will feel His presence always. They will see all life as equal, their selfishness will be gone forever. Humans will live longer and eat much less but they will not live forever. The earth is only a temporary layover, it's not a replacement for heaven.

its in the 1st book of John
We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the [power of the] wicked one. 1 john 5;19 its the little books of John , there are 3 little books of John .

 

[may]

Man.​

Though there are many species that do not pay man any never mind unless man interferes with them.​

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We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the [power of the] wicked one. ..... the bible book of 1st John chapter 5 verse 19. also these verses in other books make known that satan really is the ruler of this earth , but not for much longer because he only has a short period of time left.
(John 12:31) Now there is a judging of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.
(2 Corinthians 4:4) among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through.
(John 16:11) then concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.
On this account be glad, YOU heavens and YOU who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to YOU, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time." revelation 12;12 since he was cast out of heaven for good the influence of satan on the earth is much worse , and he was cast out of heaven for good in 1914 when Jesus cleaned the heavens of all opposers and rebels , Jesus was made king in the heavens in 1914 and the first thing that he did was get rid of the rebels, nomore was he and his angelic followers allowed back into heaven as they were before 1914 that is why conditions are getting more and more bad down here on the earth . satan is ANGRY. but not for much longer , he will soon be out of the way for 1000 years then Jesus can rule withour the influence of satan the opposer.