Who Started the "God is Gay" thread?

[stvdv]

I was too at first but popeadopes points turned out to be rather insightful.

My first thought was "What a guy, Bible is a book, can't be gay". But knowing PopeADope a little I knew there would be some interesting stuff coming from it.
I see now that in 72 hours there are already 11 pages = 205 replies. And Pope is not even the top-poster. He only scored 39 here.
So that shows it was good after all for some people, I mean some threads stop already at 25 or so.

 

[Spiderman]

No you did NOT. On the contrary. It is about time that Christians get over it, that their God/Religion/Belief is the only True One. Let go of their Narcissistic statements/thoughts.

I didn't mind the red because to me it just Placed more emphasis on the importance of what you were saying to me

 

[jacqueline behrndt]

I don't get the whole thread is this a feminist movement? Just asking
I am not trying to offend but what's the problem that god chose men?

 

[stvdv]

Um. No need for caps and read. I'm sure we can both read and are thankful for good vision.
Why am I quoted?

I put it in red, because before I put it in black and still I see people saying "Bible is the only Truth for all, I know this for a fact". I thought the red color might do the trick
Why I quoted you. My reply is so clear [even though it's in black], that I can not explain it any clearer I think. Did the red make you stop reading the black part maybe?

 

[lukethethird]

I don't get the whole thread is this a feminist movement? Just asking
I am not trying to offend but what's the problem that god chose men?

Apparently nothing.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I put it in red, because before I put it in black and still I see people saying "Bible is the only Truth for all, I know this for a fact". I thought the red color might do the trick
Why I quoted you. My reply is so clear [even though it's in black], that I can not explain it any clearer I think. Did the red make you stop reading the black part maybe?

I have vision issues so red, orange, and bold colors irritated my eyes. Its illegible with the caps and bold.

I still dont see the connection (read the rest). I was telling Pope that some people cant differientate the difference between the bible and god. Its hard to read through the negativity to figure your point, though.

Its a personal thing.

 

[osgart]

how did you come by this bit of info?

That is what the Christians tell me. Also its in 1 corinthians chapter 7.

 

[stvdv]

I have vision issues so red, orange, and bold colors irritated my eyes. Its illegible with the caps and bold.

I still dont see the connection (read the rest). I was telling Pope that some people cant differientate the difference between the bible and god. Its hard to read through the negativity to figure your point, though.

Its a personal thing.

Okay, when I reply to you I will stick to black without color and bold and stuff. I have problems reading the small lettertype of I think Quintessence [although it looks nice]

You stated: Some people cant differientate the difference between the bible and god
I stated: It's about time that Christians understand that Christians don't own God. Meaning Jesus is not the only way for all. Meaning Hinduism, Buddhism etc. are as valuable.

I got my thought because of your reply, that is why I quoted you. I hope this clarifies it.

 

[stvdv]

You are Hindu and I am of the Abrahamic faiths. Not much in common there.

I am not a Hindu. But I love Hinduism because it's quite inclusive. I have a lot in common with Abrahamic Faiths, even though you can't see that

 

[SomeRandom]

Why can't God be gay? Isn't that placing limitations on what is supposed to be a limitless concept?
If God is truly above all, then it stands to reason He would be gay and straight and both and neither.
And why would being gay be offensive? Frankly I find that to be far more offensive than saying God is gay.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Okay, when I reply to you I will stick to black without color and bold and stuff. I have problems reading the small lettertype of I think Quintessence [although it looks nice]

You stated: Some people cant differientate the difference between the bible and god
I stated: It's about time that Christians understand that Christians don't own God. Meaning Jesus is not the only way for all. Meaning Hinduism, Buddhism etc. are as valuable.

I got my thought because of your reply, that is why I quoted you. I hope this clarifies it.

Thanks. I havent had any other point of view of biblical idolism outside catholicism.

With the text, I have my font huge, so it may not have been big as it was to me. Thank you for considering the change.

 

[FirstandAmistad]

Misogyny is clearly evident all throughout the bible. Even when I was a Christian, I usually interpreted these parts as being fabrications of the priests and rulers trying to exert power over half of the population by making them feel (and be treated as) lesser to the other half. Women are said to have been created out of the rib of Adam because they weren't below or above men, but then the rest of book does a pretty good job of completely ignoring that. Some examples (a few of which Pope pointed out previously):

Spoiler

1. “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12)
   
2. "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." (1 Corinthians 11:3)
   
3. "For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man." (1 Corinthians 11:8-9)
4. "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." (1 Corinthians 14:34-35)
5. "Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean." (Leviticus 12:2) "But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days." (Leviticus 12:5)
   

Something tells me Paul didn't have a lot of luck with the ladies ;p

That being said, it doesn't really point to a homosexual god/society, but rather one that saw women as inferior to men in every respect (which is apparently less insulting to many than the insinuation that God is gay).

 

[dianaiad]

Fine! It was not a good thread.

it's just when I read the Bible it does seem like there are some aspects of God that resemble something a homosexual would do.

I would rather pray to a female than to a male. I would also prefer reading the Bible if there were just as many miracle-working female Prophets.

I cannot think of a single one. Queen Esther was not a miracle worker in any way that defies scientific explanation, and doesn't appear to be a prophet either.

Hmmn.

Actually, I was thinking that your attitude towards this is just a bit homophobic, generalizing as it does 'gay,' or male homosexuality, with an avoidance and hatred of women.

Now I'm not all THAT familiar with 'gay' culture; I only know one gay man really personally. However, I know him very well. He calls himself my 'other daughter...' in jest. He's been my middle daughter's best friend since high school...over twenty years now. Shoot, we all knew he was gay 20 years before he admitted it to us.

In fact, the story of his 'coming out' to us is a bit on the anti-climactic side. He was so worried and upset about telling us, and our reaction was "we knew that. So?"

Left him a little floundering, actually. The POINT is that your calling the bible 'gay' reminds me more of the way my nieces and nephews call something 'gay,' as an insult...meaning 'that's so wrong...."

Now me, I believe that the Bible is scripture, and written by very fallible and flawed men who lived in extremely patriarchal cultures. They weren't gay, either.

 

[stvdv]

23 sep 2018 stvdv

Why can't God be gay? Isn't that placing limitations on what is supposed to be a limitless concept?
If God is truly above all, then it stands to reason He would be gay and straight and both and neither.
And why would being gay be offensive? Frankly I find that to be far more offensive than saying God is gay.

I agree with this. I would go one step further. It's offensive, ignorant and blasphemy to say "God is so and so".

But it is a difficult problem. Humans like to know and put stuff in a box, even God.

I found it helpful to realize that "God = xxx" is always wrong.

Because it means "God is only xxx".

 

[stvdv]

23 sep 2018 stvdv

I would rather pray to a female than to a male. I would also prefer reading the Bible if there were just as many miracle-working female Prophets.
I cannot think of a single one. Queen Esther was not a miracle worker in any way that defies scientific explanation, and doesn't appear to be a prophet either.

You already came to the conclusion that females are suppressed in the Bible, and have no say whatsoever almost [wonderfully seen in below spoiler of @FirstandAmistad]
Who Started the "God is Gay" thread?

Maybe I can make your day. Probably Esther was a miracle worker, but that part was taken out of the Bible, because it obviously did not fit in there.
More probably there have been many more female miracle workers and they did not make it into the Bible for the same reason

In this context I do remember Sai Baba always said "Women are much more spiritual than men; they have 3 more divine attributes than men".

 

[stvdv]

23 sep 2018 stvdv

Fine! It was not a good thread.

I like Pope and I think he knows that. I agree he makes interesting and insightful points. He's obviously intelligent and knowledgeable. He makes RF a more colourful and interesting place

And he makes a fine jester

They used to have saints to assist the king. So I would say @PopeADope is a "Holy Jester", pulling spiritual "out of the box" threads out of his sleeve on a daily basis like no one else.

 

[stvdv]

23 sep 2018 stvdv

How I might say what I think you are getting at is that God only cares to relate in any depth or substance to men. Women are treated as second class necessities for reproduction which is in stark contrast to the values espoused in many religions featuring the Goddess. It seems clear that the Bible represents a perspective on God that is highly patriarchal, even misogynistic, and as such presents a very imbalanced view. The imbalance is so great that one, in obvious jest, might joke that maybe God is gay himself...though not to in any way say that being gay is an insult. However there is a certain irony in making such a statement since many who might be offended by the jest would argue that homosexuality is a sin because God thinks so.

So the Bible-writers created a "gay-ish Bible" which is ironically biting them in their karmic azz

 

[stvdv]

23 sep 2018 stvdv

I don't get the whole thread is this a feminist movement? Just asking
I am not trying to offend but what's the problem that god chose men?

In short: "God choosing men is not a problem". The real problem is "Condemning gay humans who are Children of God = Condemning God"

 

[blü 2]

You are Hindu and I am of the Abrahamic faiths. Not much in common there.

But you didn't tell me how homosexuality can exist without the consent of the Abrahamic God, given [he]'s omnipotent and omniscient.

 

[Spiderman]

They used to have saints to assist the king. So I would say @PopeADope is a "Holy Jester", pulling spiritual "out of the box" threads out of his sleeve on a daily basis like no one else.

I was delighted to read this post!