Ken Brown
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I knew you could not comprehend it. :areyoucra
Hi outhouse, as I said before, IF you do not have eyes to see and ears to hear, it will be incomprehensible. KB
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I knew you could not comprehend it. :areyoucra
Hi outhouse, as I said before, IF you do not have eyes to see and ears to hear, it will be incomprehensible. KB
I will remember that you have written that the first messages were not only transmitted orally, but also in writing.It wasnt just oral traditions, there was plenty of writen traditions of all different kinds.
Even paul tells us of other scripture that no longer exist today.
Yes..... loads of writings were destroyed, and complainants murdered, hundreds of years later.Its been long known we only have a fraction of what once existed.
So Paul tried to communicate with them, put his 'stamp' upon them...... adjust them. You've already mentioned that he could have been accused of heresy.The movement was wide and diverse in Pauls time, because Judaism was wide and diverse.
Yes he did. He positively ranted and raged to have his view and his version of Christianity accepted.Paul taught nothing new, he was just the scribe more or less for a community in some cases.
Most (western?) Christianity is Pauline. Absolutely no thing to do with the artisan and healer who lived in Galilee.
Hi outhouse, as I said before, IF you do not have eyes to see and ears to hear, it will be incomprehensible. KB
Hello again..... It was Paul who advocated opening up his new version of the faith to uncircumcised..... ?Agreed, but it wasnt Paul that created the seperation or division from a more traditional Judaism where the movement failed, and the Hellenistic movement in the Diaspora where the movement gained steam Paul was a part of.
There was no Israel..... The people leaving passover who were most likely to have been impressed with news of the incident were the working jews, the true Jews.... the hellenists were probably not as 'righteous' about passover as the true Jews. I think the Tradition spread through the working class..... why not?Think about it, we have a martyred man at passover. The oral traditions that were generated went nowhere in Israel. Yet in Hellenistic communities everyhwere it floursihed because people leaving passover and going home took these legends with them.
.....there it is....... Paul corrected and adjusted the faith to his own point of view and ends.... there it is....Paul did not spread the message as much as correct it, ..................
....... wherever he hunted, whomever he put down, it was he who then picked it up and ran with it..... it being his version..... he had little interest in the Galilean healer..... just a name woith a background to adjust everything as he (and his) wished.And remember, he didnt hunt in Galilee where the real apostles were. Why? Its my opinion the movement failed in Judaism with jesus death. The only people who found importance with the legends were Hellenist in the Diaspora. He was forced to hunt the Diaspora where h emovment was going on full speed ahead.
You mean it will only make sense to the brainwashed or those trying to twist it in a way to make sense? Who knew!
Hello again..... It was Paul who advocated opening up his new version of the faith to uncircumcised..... ?
There was no Israel..... The people leaving passover who were most likely to have been impressed with news of the incident were the working jews, the true Jews.... the hellenists were probably not as 'righteous' about passover as the true Jews. I think the Tradition spread through the working class..... why not?
.....there it is....... Paul corrected and adjusted the faith to his own point of view and ends.... there it is....
....... wherever he hunted, whomever he put down, it was he who then picked it up and ran with it..... it being his version..... he had little interest in the Galilean healer..... just a name woith a background to adjust everything as he (and his) wished.
I am beginning to believe that G-Mark was written 'in answer' to Paul's vigorous efforts, much of it explaining the true person and mission of Jesus. I am amazed that G-Mark survived.... Paul would have destroyed it, methinks.....
Hello again..... It was Paul who advocated opening up his new version of the faith to uncircumcised..... ?
Hi Yadon, apparently, you have not followed the discussion between outhouse and myself. Do you have anything to add that makes any sense? KB
Paul once persecuted the believers of Jesus, but he left behind this life to become the most honored instrument of God. Paul suffered from illness. In despair, he prayed to the Lord, and God replied that his grace is sufficient for Paul. No matter how insufficient and weak we may be, we can be used greatly for the establishment of God's kingdom.
Well, here is whom Paul says taught him: "I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ" (Galatians 1:12).
How do you think Paul learned about this sect?